So please don't blame me if you guys don't know what you are besides creationists.
You are such an arrogant sophist. If we are all creationists, then tell us what the difference between us is. Tell us why there is this "debate" in the first place. Give us some new terms that differentiate us from you and your ilk, if you don't like the ones everyone else uses.
You are the one who doesn't know what you are: An idolator who worships a book written by men. A member of The Genesis Cult. So don't blame us if you don't know what you are.
__________________ “The biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense." -Bishop John Shelby Spong
"It is not the obligation of the State to reconcile various faiths with reality. Do it yourself." -Atomweaver
"It is a false religion that disguises itself as Christianity. It is an Orwellian construct that teaches that Reality is a Lie and that Lies are the Truth. That Science is Religion and Religion is a Personal Relationship; that Belief in the Mundane is Faith and that Atheists have more Faith than Christians. It perverts scripture into making Christianity look foolish, while all the while convincing its victims that they are the "True Christians." It is called Creationism." - Split Rock
Like I said, you're creatio ex materia --- we're creatio ex nihilo.
You can claim you're not creationists all you want, but who uses the word "created" more, you or us?
You're only alternative to not being a creationist, as far as I know, is that you're --- what's it called --- steady-state?
ETA: QV this article, please --- and notice the use of the word "created".
You accept evolution, though... don't you? Species do change over time, right? I guess that means we are all "evolutionists." Why don't you use that title?
__________________ “The biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense." -Bishop John Shelby Spong
"It is not the obligation of the State to reconcile various faiths with reality. Do it yourself." -Atomweaver
"It is a false religion that disguises itself as Christianity. It is an Orwellian construct that teaches that Reality is a Lie and that Lies are the Truth. That Science is Religion and Religion is a Personal Relationship; that Belief in the Mundane is Faith and that Atheists have more Faith than Christians. It perverts scripture into making Christianity look foolish, while all the while convincing its victims that they are the "True Christians." It is called Creationism." - Split Rock
I said species change not indivduals! All dog breeds have a common wolf ancestor. Whatever do you mean when you claim "species emerge?" Give us an example. I can give you plenty of examples of species changing, or more specifically, populations of a species changing over time.
__________________ “The biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense." -Bishop John Shelby Spong
"It is not the obligation of the State to reconcile various faiths with reality. Do it yourself." -Atomweaver
"It is a false religion that disguises itself as Christianity. It is an Orwellian construct that teaches that Reality is a Lie and that Lies are the Truth. That Science is Religion and Religion is a Personal Relationship; that Belief in the Mundane is Faith and that Atheists have more Faith than Christians. It perverts scripture into making Christianity look foolish, while all the while convincing its victims that they are the "True Christians." It is called Creationism." - Split Rock
Then why don't you claim we are all evolutionists, and that some of us just don't realize it?
Because the topic of this thread is "creation" --- and you guys make it perfectly clear that evolution has nothing to do with life before it got started.
You want to divorce evolution from abiogenesis --- go ahead.
Originally Posted by Split Rock
I said species change not indivduals!
And I'm telling you they don't.
In the binomial system, an animal is assigned two names: one is its genus, and the other is its species.
Show me a Canis lupus changing into a Canis latrans.
A new species might emerge --- that is, a Canis lupus might give birth to a Canis latrans --- (or whatever the next mutant is chronologically) --- but you'll never see a Genus give birth to another Genus.
As I have pointed out before, only God can change one Genera into another, and back again.
Remember?
He changed Acaia arabia into Naja naja --- and back again?
Atheists aren't creationists, atheists are __________.
People you troll on this forum and, for some reason, many of them respond to your nonsense?
__________________ (The Library of Alexandria) questioned the permanence of the stars, but did not question the justice of slavery - Carl Sagan in Cosmos
Because the topic of this thread is "creation" --- and you guys make it perfectly clear that evolution has nothing to do with life before it got started.
Actually, the topic of this thread are atheists. Read the O.P. again. What does that have to do with you calling everyone "creationists," rather than "evolutionists?" More sophistry? If everyone is a creationist because you define it that way, you win?
Originally Posted by AV1611VET
You want to divorce evolution from abiogenesis --- go ahead.And I'm telling you they don't.
I never mentioned abiogenesis and neither did you. First you dodge, then you weave, and now you move the goalposts.. It's the Creationist Three-step!
Originally Posted by AV1611VET
In the binomial system, an animal is assigned two names: one is its genus, and the other is its species.
Show me a Canis lupus changing into a Canis latrans.
A new species might emerge --- that is, a Canis lupus might give birth to a Canis latrans --- (or whatever the next mutant is chronologically) --- but you'll never see a Genus give birth to another Genus.
As I have pointed out before, only God can change one Genera into another, and back again.
Remember?
He changed Acaia arabia into Naja naja --- and back again?
In any case, we have ample evidence for the evolution of new genera, via speciation. What does any of this have to do with the simple fact that evolution, including speciation, has been observed, and you just claimed that "New species emerge --- but they don't change?" How about Ring Species? Evolution -- Species Rings
__________________ “The biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense." -Bishop John Shelby Spong
"It is not the obligation of the State to reconcile various faiths with reality. Do it yourself." -Atomweaver
"It is a false religion that disguises itself as Christianity. It is an Orwellian construct that teaches that Reality is a Lie and that Lies are the Truth. That Science is Religion and Religion is a Personal Relationship; that Belief in the Mundane is Faith and that Atheists have more Faith than Christians. It perverts scripture into making Christianity look foolish, while all the while convincing its victims that they are the "True Christians." It is called Creationism." - Split Rock
Hey, has any of you ever heard of the Raelians?
They're a pretty odd bunch, that lot, but really, they're not actually that much different from Christians...
__________________ "Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people." Carl Sagan
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