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7th November 2009, 08:31 PM
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7th November 2009, 08:49 PM
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Reps: 10,138,570,143,324,028 (power: 10,138,570,143,332) | | Originally Posted by Urban Monk  bacon2, keep on posting the realness. Your words are true and powerful, meaning that your words are also of God. U have realized that economics is one of the most useful weapons for the forces of evil
Says the crazy homeless guy on the corner who barely has two pennies to rub together. People who can't make money are always the first to swear it's evil.
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8th November 2009, 01:01 AM
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Reps: 1,080,351,677,578,482,176 (power: 0) | | | Well there is that.
I am guessing Taku60 and Urban Monk didn't grow up during the Cold War. They seem to have no memory of what the Com Bloc was like under the Commies, when ditch diggers and doctors made nearly the same wages . . . which sounds all fair and groovy if everybody made doctor wages, but that wasn't how it played out. There was no substantial award for working harder, for studying longer, for being smarter .. . why spend the time learning to be an engineer, if you can draw about the same wages for pulling a lever down at the dowicket factory? So they didn't, and pretty soon they were almost completely dependant on technology stolen from the West. Pretty sad. Eventually, they came around . . . That'd be why globes with USSR on them are harder & harder to find and the Berlin Wall is nothing but a tourist site now.
There are history books that can help with the malady Taku and Urban seem to have. Being "doomed to repeat", is an easily remedied ailment. |
8th November 2009, 10:30 AM
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Reps: 45,773,809,592,680,992 (power: 45,773,809,592,685) | | | Yes, this is very inspiring Urban Monk. There are many verses in scripture which commend this sort of lifestyle.
Funny thing about capitalism.....it doesn't care whether you're an adherent or not. If you don't get $, by hook or by crook, you don't eat and you can't live. By the way that pertains to Holy Joes who hold themselves above the Mere Pursuit of Mammon, too.
And if you want to start a family, and have nice stuff? Well, like it or not, that requires the active practice of capitalism. |
8th November 2009, 08:34 PM
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Reps: 10,138,570,143,324,028 (power: 10,138,570,143,332) | | Originally Posted by marlowe007 Funny thing about capitalism.....it doesn't care whether you're an adherent or not. If you don't get $, by hook or by crook, you don't eat and you can't live. By the way that pertains to Holy Joes who hold themselves above the Mere Pursuit of Mammon, too.
And if you want to start a family, and have nice stuff? Well, like it or not, that requires the active practice of capitalism.
In other words, you have to work for what you want. That is certainly the basic premise of everything that is evil!
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Daniel Dennett (Breaking the Spell: Religion as Natural Phenomenon) |
8th November 2009, 09:39 PM
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8th November 2009, 10:41 PM
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Reps: 45,773,809,592,680,992 (power: 45,773,809,592,685) | | Originally Posted by Shabby In other words, you have to work for what you want. That is certainly the basic premise of everything that is evil!
The OP probably models himself after St. Francis of Assisi, who followed the example of the apostles and gave up all material possessions, wandered the streets and contemplated.
The first forms of work deemed acceptable for the medieval monks were baking bread, gardening and brewing beer. Indeed, the old Catholic church viewed overwork with suspicion, seeing it as a lack of faith in God's Providence (in other words, hard work means taking your destiny into your own hands rather than simply letting things happen - you are, in a sense, competing with God).
In the 17th and 18th centuries, however, a new work ethic was introduced. The fun-hating Puritans closed the theatres and took down the maypoles; and then came the Methodists. Both these groups saw life as a serious business and believed that God wanted you to toil.
As for my part, I don't think the intentionally homeless should be made to feel guilty for what is for them a noble pursuit, as well as something enjoyable and creative.  |
8th November 2009, 10:47 PM
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Reps: 1,080,351,677,578,482,176 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by marlowe007 The OP probably models himself after St. Francis of Assisi, who followed the examples of the apostles and gave up all material possessions, wandered the streets and contemplated.
The first forms of work deemed acceptable for the medieval monks were baking bread, gardening and brewing beer. Indeed, the old Catholic church viewed overwork with suspicion, seeing it as a lack of faith in God's Providence (in other words, hard work means taking your destiny into your own hands rather than simply letting things happen - you are, in a sense, competing with God).
In the 17th and 18th centuries, however, a new work ethic was introduced. The fun-hating Puritans closed the theatres and took down the maypoles; and then came the Methodists. Both these groups saw life as a serious business and believed that God wanted you to toil.
As for my part, I don't think the intentionally homeless should be made to feel guilty for what is for them a noble pursuit, as well as something enjoyable and creative.
Agreed and well spoken.
I'd only add that the choice to take up a life like that is no excuse to demonize the productive and the hard working. The body has many parts, not all are called to be ascetics. |
10th November 2009, 03:07 AM
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Reps: 10,138,570,143,324,028 (power: 10,138,570,143,332) | | Originally Posted by marlowe007 The OP probably models himself after St. Francis of Assisi, who followed the example of the apostles and gave up all material possessions, wandered the streets and contemplated.
The first forms of work deemed acceptable for the medieval monks were baking bread, gardening and brewing beer. Indeed, the old Catholic church viewed overwork with suspicion, seeing it as a lack of faith in God's Providence (in other words, hard work means taking your destiny into your own hands rather than simply letting things happen - you are, in a sense, competing with God).
In the 17th and 18th centuries, however, a new work ethic was introduced. The fun-hating Puritans closed the theatres and took down the maypoles; and then came the Methodists. Both these groups saw life as a serious business and believed that God wanted you to toil.
As for my part, I don't think the intentionally homeless should be made to feel guilty for what is for them a noble pursuit, as well as something enjoyable and creative.
I have no problem with being homeless, I have a problem with someone who is homeless critiquing the capitalist system as if it is "keeping them down". If you don't want to work, don't work. But don't expect to be able to have the type of lifestyle you want.
Also, human beings by nature are working creatures. If you think people didn't work before the 17th and 18th century you've never spent time on a farm.
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Daniel Dennett (Breaking the Spell: Religion as Natural Phenomenon) |
10th November 2009, 01:32 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by marlowe007 Yes, this is very inspiring Urban Monk. There are many verses in scripture which commend this sort of lifestyle.
Interesting, can u tell me some of the verses | | |
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