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16th October 2009, 04:50 PM
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Reps: 18,944,763,352,946,140 (power: 18,944,763,352,955) | | Originally Posted by Bessie  You know, I never did that. I figured they had their rules for a reason, silly me. I became Catholic in order to partake. Obviously that has changed now, but hey. I was one of those Catholics who didn't agree with everything, so this forum strikes a chord, but ultimately it wasn't the way for me to reconcile the differences.
Sorry for butting in.
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The RCC does have their reasons for having a closed communion. And for many, they are good reasons and should be followed. We also acknowledge that for some, the reasons are not good and should be ignored.
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16th October 2009, 06:11 PM
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Reps: 11,309,858,287,343,168 (power: 11,309,858,287,348) | | | Not to be argumentative, just wondering... If the rules are legitimate for "some" people, is it accepted for them to be violated by having this important sanction ignored? If I found out someone was pretending to be Orthodox in order to receive with us I would feel extremely violated and upset. Admittedly it would be much harder to achieve that in an Orthodox church, but still. People who are offended or feel violated should just get over it? |
16th October 2009, 06:37 PM
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16th October 2009, 06:50 PM
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Reps: 18,944,763,352,946,140 (power: 18,944,763,352,955) | | Originally Posted by Bessie Not to be argumentative, just wondering... If the rules are legitimate for "some" people, is it accepted for them to be violated by having this important sanction ignored? If I found out someone was pretending to be Orthodox in order to receive with us I would feel extremely violated and upset. Admittedly it would be much harder to achieve that in an Orthodox church, but still. People who are offended or feel violated should just get over it?
I hope you don't believe that liberals are simply asking conservatives to "get over it".
Speaking for myself, the Eucharist is something Christ wants the whole world to partake. It is the single most powerful sacrament given to the Church. If one has to be perfect (ie: recently gone to confession, in a certain state of grace, belong to a church that is in communion, etc) then what is the point?
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Reps: 18,944,763,352,946,140 (power: 18,944,763,352,955) | | Originally Posted by kiwimac Old Catholic Churches are open in communion and quite a number ordain women as well. I note that it used to be Liberal Catholic teaching that women could not hold the priesthood and am glad to see that is changing, albeit slowly and piece-meal.
You would think the LCC would have led the way on this one, but it seems that one of the founding bishops of the LCC thought women were unsuitable vessels for ordination, and it took 70 years+ to admit that said bishop was wrong. (In fact the original LCC, which is also the smallest branch of the movement, still prohibits women's ordination.)
But as you said, it's good we've moved on as the Holy Spirit is directing all the Church to do.
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16th October 2009, 08:25 PM
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Reps: 11,309,858,287,343,168 (power: 11,309,858,287,348) | | Originally Posted by JasonV I hope you don't believe that liberals are simply asking conservatives to "get over it".
Speaking for myself, the Eucharist is something Christ wants the whole world to partake. It is the single most powerful sacrament given to the Church. If one has to be perfect (ie: recently gone to confession, in a certain state of grace, belong to a church that is in communion, etc) then what is the point?
I don't know about the state of grace thing because of course my church takes a different view of that, but saying the rules that are meaningful to the "conservatives" shouldn't be respected if you feel differently is sort of a tricky thing isn't it?
I have absolutely no problem with people forming their own communities that are in line with their views or provide open communion, whether or not I agree with them... but I have a much bigger problem with someone who disagrees "pretending" to be Catholic, or Orthodox, or something else they are not in order to gain access to something that is sacred to those they are "infiltrating."
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by JasonV You would think the LCC would have led the way on this one, but it seems that one of the founding bishops of the LCC thought women were unsuitable vessels for ordination, and it took 70 years+ to admit that said bishop was wrong. (In fact the original LCC, which is also the smallest branch of the movement, still prohibits women's ordination.)
As I understand it, the issue of ordination of women came up during one of the General Episcopal Synods in the '70s. The bishops were just about evenly divided on the issue. Rather than have a divisive vote, they decided to postpone the issue to the next synod. However, the more conservative bishops seem to have "encouraged" the retirement of the more liberal bishops, so that synods after that were never close to endorsing the idea.
Eventually, the ordination of women and tax issues in the European Union gave a motivation for another LCC schism, so there got to be both pro- and antiordination divisions in the LCC. |
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Reps: 18,944,763,352,946,140 (power: 18,944,763,352,955) | | Originally Posted by escargo As I understand it, the issue of ordination of women came up during one of the General Episcopal Synods in the '70s. The bishops were just about evenly divided on the issue. Rather than have a divisive vote, they decided to postpone the issue to the next synod. However, the more conservative bishops seem to have "encouraged" the retirement of the more liberal bishops, so that synods after that were never close to endorsing the idea.
Eventually, the ordination of women and tax issues in the European Union gave a motivation for another LCC schism, so there got to be both pro- and antiordination divisions in the LCC.
The issue has been divisive for quite a while as you noted. In 2003 a schism happened between those who felt it was ok and those who do not. Liberal Catholic Church - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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