Where Can We Come To Agreement?

Personally, I am not willing to compromise on the issue of abortion. The only time that an abortion could possibly even be permissible would be when both the mother and the baby are doomed to die unless the abortion is performed and I suspect that such cases are extremely rare. Here is more information on what the Bible teaches about abortion:

What does the Bible say about abortion?

Originally Posted by icamewithasword

I'm all about reducing the number of abortions! Where in my post did I state something that made you think otherwise?

I believe Archival was responding to judechild with that comment


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Ah wait, I see that Archival quoted you in that post too. Sorry about that. I'd delete this comment but can't figure out how to

I think we can all agree that the number of abortions taking place needs to be reduced. But how do we go about reducing that number? I don't advocate putting any restrictions on abortion but I do advocate reducing the need for an abortion to begin with. Increased usage of contraception would be one way to reduce the need for abortions. Make contraception cheaper or make universal health care a reality so that way contraception is something everyone can afford. Also, provide cheaper and more affordable care for pregnant women or again, make universal health care a reality so that all women can afford pregnancy care. Make adoptions more easily affordable and make it easier to put a child up for adoption would also help. However, I don't think that banning abortion or putting restrictions on abortion is going to help. Neither do I think we should do that. The reason? Women should be free to get an abortion, without restrictions, throughout all 9 months of her pregnancy or at least for the first two trimesters. I might be ok with restricting abortions in the third trimester or past the viability stage.

I think we can all agree that the number of abortions being performed needs to be reduced, right? Or are there actually some pro-abortion people on here who could care less about whether the number of abortions is reduced or not?

I am also prolife, and I am NOT willing to compromise when it comes to the lives of innocent unborn children.

One does NOT compromise on murder. Abortion HAS to be stopped. Hands down.

*sigh* This is why abortion numbers will not be in a serious decline any time soon - because a lot of people are too stubborn, prideful and not christlike enough to set aside their own emotions on the matter and consider ways they could say something other than, "I won't compromise! Keep your legs shut!" Most people with that mentality don't even have sympathy for women who chose to not terminate her pregnancy so she's a single mother on welfare. Once again it's met with, "why should my tax dollars go to feed a kid I didn't open my legs to conceive?" The lack of compassion is astounding.

Most people with that mentality don't even have sympathy for women who chose to not terminate her pregnancy so she's a single mother on welfare. Once again it's met with, "why should my tax dollars go to feed a kid I didn't open my legs to conceive?" The lack of compassion is astounding.

Amen to that. I can't stand hypocrites.

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Thanks for the thread on what is an emotional topic. Name calling is no use but to compromise one would have to acknowledge what the other side’s view is evn though one cant necessarily accept it is right.
For those like myself who see abortion as terminating life, in principle unless there is a danger of death of the mother and child there is no justification.

Given that position I think sexual intercourse is the issue. Conception occurs with sexual intercourse. I believe society has its own ideas, the orgasm has replaced the cross, it has sex as a god hence its use of sex to market and sell, the focus of media attention, all kinds of sexual perversions which it sees as normal, and the idea that one cant limit sex as its not practical. To this I would say society does try and limit some sexual activity such as paedophilia so it can try and limit sexual activity which leads to pregnancy if it wanted.

So this is my proposal. There should be no condemnation of people who fall short and make mistakes, so it must start with education so that what is taught and held as true is the purpose of sex being for a faithful marriage, contraception being for within a faithful marriage, and the understanding that there is never an unwanted pregnancy., having sexual intercourse in the first place means there was always a chance of conception even with contraception if it fails or is faulty. It would be a good idea to limit the opportunities of unmarried people to be together such as chaperoning and sharing a hotel room together, and that includes same sex couples. The increase in availability of contraception rather than limit, has lead to the increase in abortions and STD’s and AIDS.

As to those who think this is draconian and promote abortion as a choice, they need to understand that many will see this as promoting murder, if they are happy at that fine, but to date they don’t seem to be.

Any views on the way forward I have proposed?

The subject of abortion is no time to be deluded by all this mushy talk about compassion for woman in hard circumstances and such. I'm not saying that women in hard circumstances shouldn't be helped or consoled, but certain values should take priority over others, and respecting sanctity of human life should be at the top, perhaps only after honoring and loving God.

You don't ever EVER kill an innocent person to get out of a jam. NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER. To take the veil off this debate, ask yourself this: "Should restrictions be placed on mothers killing their infants up to twenty four months? If infanticide is legalized, what if any, restrictions should be put in place? How can we find a common ground with those who don't seem to care about the hardship and expense babies place on struggling mothers?"

If this seems silly to you, really, what's the difference. A fetus is hidden behind a wall of flesh so you can't see it. That's why it seems easier to kill it.

I'll be honest. I don't see how a child of God can be confused on this issue. You should check yourself.

Indeed why would pro-choice ask the question about the interests of the mother if they are prepared to terminate a life?