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10th October 2009, 08:06 AM
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Jewish victims should fight Israel too then. Fair enough, I respect your view. Don't Shias and Sunnis both consider Muhammad to be the prophet of God and agree there is only one God? I was under the impression that Sunnis and Shias are sects of Islam, not that some are Muslims and others aren't. Having said that, you know more about Islam than I do.
yes but some Shia sects worship another Gods, Alawis worship Ali as the only true god and Durz worship one of the Caliphas of Fatimid dynasty as the only true God, etc.
We Sunnis consider ourselves as not a sect but Islam itself.
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10th October 2009, 06:38 PM
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Reps: 68,604,112,984,827,496 (power: 68,604,112,984,834) | | Originally Posted by formy  Jewish victims should fight Israel too then.
Many Jewish Israelis are fighting for the Palestinians. Many of them have been beaten, shot at and arrested.
However, the solution you seem to be proposing to the conflict is to take the land from the Jews and give it to the Palestinians. You will end up with the same situation you have now, only the Jews will be waging an intifada and the Palestinians will be destroying their homes and killing their children who are throwing rocks.
The land needs to be shared by both sides and both sides need to be governing it. Originally Posted by formy yes but some Shia sects worship another Gods, Alawis worship Ali as the only true god and Durz worship one of the Caliphas of Fatimid dynasty as the only true God, etc.
We Sunnis consider ourselves as not a sect but Islam itself.
Shias claim that God is one, are all Shias Alawis and Druze? |
10th October 2009, 09:59 PM
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Reps: 19,391,142,157,809,696 (power: 19,391,142,157,824) | | Originally Posted by formy
why this word is filterd lol
Probably because it is a derogatory term for black Africans used by racist white South Africans. (Not saying YOU were using it thusly, but swearfilters are dumb.) Roughly analogous to that execrable six-letter word beginning with "n" that is used by some on American black people... |
11th October 2009, 12:25 AM
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Reps: 18,762,294,747,481,268 (power: 18,762,294,747,485) | | Many Jewish Israelis are fighting for the Palestinians. Many of them have been beaten, shot at and arrested.
However, the solution you seem to be proposing to the conflict is to take the land from the Jews and give it to the Palestinians. You will end up with the same situation you have now, only the Jews will be waging an intifada and the Palestinians will be destroying their homes and killing their children who are throwing rocks.
The land needs to be shared by both sides and both sides need to be governing it.
the area was fine before the creation of Israel, Britain should've given the Palestinians there own independence like all the other colonies.
Shias claim that God is one, are all Shias Alawis and Druze?
there are other few sects anyway Jafari and Ismaili claim that God is one, but many of there beliefs make us consider them none-Muslims.
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11th October 2009, 12:29 AM
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Reps: 18,762,294,747,481,268 (power: 18,762,294,747,485) | | Originally Posted by TheNewWorldMan Probably because it is a derogatory term for black Africans used by racist white South Africans. (Not saying YOU were using it thusly, but swearfilters are dumb.) Roughly analogous to that execrable six-letter word beginning with "n" that is used by some on American black people... the word “ka fir” is used by whites in south Africa insulting blacks? Never heard of that. It’s an Arabic word wish mean a disbeliever (none-Muslim)
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11th October 2009, 01:43 AM
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Reps: 19,391,142,157,809,696 (power: 19,391,142,157,824) | | Originally Posted by formy the word “ka fir” is used by whites in south Africa insulting blacks? Never heard of that. It’s an Arabic word wish mean a disbeliever (none-Muslim)
Indeed, "ka-ffir" was originally an Arabic word that got picked up and recirculated into the (South African) English language, as well as Afrikaans, with its meaning changed from "unbeliever" to "dark-skinned person of African descent. |
22nd October 2009, 04:56 PM
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Reps: 384,077,585 (power: 384,083) | | Originally Posted by formy
victims of 1947.
The "Palestinians" are NOT victims! People seem to forget that just 2 years before Israel was created anew World War 2 ended and 6 million Jews were killed by Europeans. Hence we were in no mood to sit around and continue down the same submissive path we once did, those days are over. There can only be peace when one has a peace partner and so unless the "Palestinians" renounce terror and thus Hamas and Hezbollah then there is not even a simmering light of hope, only war. The choice is not up to us but you. The Islamic world started this "game" and we Jews will come out the victors.
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22nd October 2009, 05:28 PM
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Reps: 384,077,585 (power: 384,083) | | Originally Posted by formy
funny thing there is a verse in the Qur'an that confirm this verse and some ignorant people use it as "intolerance against Jews" anti-Islam propaganda
And We gave (Clear) Warning to the Bani Israel (Children of Israel) in the Book, that twice would they do mischief on the earth and be elated with mighty arrogance (and twice would they be punished)!(17:4)
and these ignorant people don't know the difference between Jews and Bani Israel. The Qur'an is not in accordance with the Tanakh and that alone voids the truth in Islam. The "age of prophecy" ended 800 years before Islam was "founded". The Qur'an completely takes the Torah out of context, on purpose I presume, so that Muhammad could say the he is the "last and thus true prophet". Both the Gospels and the Qur'an go against nearly everything the Tanakh says and thus stands for. One does not need to believe but at least know that one must go to the source (Judaism) of Monotheism if one is to truly understand G-d. Originally Posted by formy sooner or later Israel will be gone, it can take from 1 hour to 200 years. but it won't last forever. Originally Posted by formy and these who died without justice will get a better justice in the judgment day.
Secular Israel will one day fall but Israel, the Biblical nation, will be renewed and will crush its opponents. I understand why secularists hate religion, they feel that others are dragging them into a fight they did not create and do not want continued. In this I say to the world that if you do not support Israel on religious grounds (meaning against it because it is a "religious war") then support Israel on the basis of History. Israel's fight with Islam will determine its future and the worlds relation to its past. One may not like Israel but do NOT support the "Palestininas" on the sole basis that they are our enemies, the "if Israel is wrong then they must be right" mentality is pure stupidity.
Fact:
There has NEVER been an independent nation in history called "Palestine" and hence there is no such thing as "Palestinians". Their flag and cause represents evil and must be opposed. "Palestine" is a self-inflicted curse on history and is in opposition to morality, period. If one wonders what "Palestine" really is then simply look to Hamas and you will have your answer. G-d, in Genesis, makes clear that the land of Israel is for "His people", the Jews, for all time and nothing can remove that fact no matter how hard the world may try. Israel is G-d in history and therefore must be defended against evil, which is sadly promoted by His creation.
Yis'rael Chai!
DEATH TO " PALESTINE"!!!
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6th November 2009, 06:35 PM
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Did God appoint you to choose who's going to hell and who's not?
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