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7th October 2009, 10:32 AM
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Funny how you mention Iran, along with Turkey and Iraq it illegally occupies Kurdish land. Like Turkey, Iran launches murderous air strikes into Kurdistan.
illegally ? according to what law ? |
7th October 2009, 01:07 PM
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Standards of decency and humanity. You don't put your armed soldiers into someone else's country and punish its people for opposing their presence. Kurds in Turkey have been mistreated and harassed for hundreds of years, in their own homeland. Kurdistan is a country under occupation. Like Palestine, it deserves to be free. |
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Then what is going to happen to the Jews who live there?
they are free to stay or leave.
LOL!!! The predominantly Muslim Arabs conquered Egypt with their armies. The Coptic Christians lived there long before they did. They have been under occupation for hundreds of years.
but most of the Coptic Christians converted to Islam learned Arabic and mixed with Arabs and called themselves Arabs, they are also mix of Kurds and Turks, remember Mamluks.
You don't hear about Turkey bombing Kurdistan? Every week their pilots drop bombs on villages and towns in their fight against "PKK terrorism". Substitute "Kurd" for "Palestinian" and "Turkey" for "Israel", you get the same thing. You don't hear about Kurdish protesters being arrested for daring to demand freedom for their nation?
I'm not a fan of Turkey I despise there founder Ataturk and despise there dictatorship laws that uses secularism as a covering name
and I'm not a fan of PKK either because I'm against nationalism, and I don't see Saudi Arabia on this list List of countries and organizations that list the PKK as a terrorist group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Funny how you mention Iran, along with Turkey and Iraq it illegally occupies Kurdish land. Like Turkey, Iran launches murderous air strikes into Kurdistan.
lol Iran is just another enemy they treat 30% of there population(my Muslim brothers) very bad.
Iran, Iraq and Turkey are living in occupied Kurdistan. The whole country of Egypt is an Arab colony on occupied Coptic land.
look I'm a Muslim and in Islam there is no nationalism. and Egypt is not occupied Coptic land the people who live in it ethnically are Copts, just because they are called Arabs doesn't mean only the few Christians are the real Copts, Christian and Muslim Egyptians look the same.
Unless you are a hypocrite you should also advocate the destruction of Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Egypt. Or maybe this whole talk about destroying other nations is pretty useless.
first of all I'm against nationalism second I never been a fan of Iran's, Turkish, and Egyptian governments and Iraq's government I have no business on it its all American made. and finally the terrorist state of Israel never was a nation and never will be
I usually recommend that zionists consider it, along with right-wing christians who have confused the Gospel with the Republican party. Maybe you should think about that too, though.
Israel started as an enemy and will always be.
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and finally the terrorist state of Israel never was a nation and never will be
Israel is a nation, it exists, it is prosperous and successful, with nuclear weapons. Live with it. |
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Reps: 97,440,235,412 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by TheNewWorldMan Israel is a nation, it exists, it is prosperous and successful, with nuclear weapons. Live with it.[/size][/font]
Israel is not "prosperous and succesful". Israeli scientists all come from the United States, and the israeli economy is being susidized by the us and german governements several billions each year. Their only successes lie in the fields of arrogance, self-righteousness, assaulting their neighbours, and the illegal production of weapons of mass destruction, and the murder of hundreds of innocent children each year. Many jews are leaving israel to come to more civilized countries, because they cannot tolerate israel's innate racism and militarism anymore. |
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Reps: 19,391,142,157,809,696 (power: 19,391,142,157,824) | | Originally Posted by Chipahualca Israel is not "prosperous and succesful". Israeli scientists all come from the United States, and the israeli economy is being susidized by the us and german governements several billions each year. Their only successes lie in the fields of arrogance, self-righteousness, assaulting their neighbours, and the illegal production of weapons of mass destruction, and the murder of hundreds of innocent children each year. Many jews are leaving israel to come to more civilized countries, because they cannot tolerate israel's innate racism and militarism anymore.
Compared to its neighbors, Israel is prosperous and successful. Admittedly since it is surrounded by Muslim nations, that's not a very high bar...but still, it works. |
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Reps: 18,762,294,747,481,268 (power: 18,762,294,747,485) | | Originally Posted by TheNewWorldMan Compared to its neighbors, Israel is prosperous and successful. Admittedly since it is surrounded by Muslim nations, that's not a very high bar...but still, it works. Yeah they are very successful just cut the billions they steal from tax payers and they will demise.
Nuclear weapons doesn't make you a nation it is still a colony, it was a British colony now it is an American colony shared with some European countries.
Like India, South Africa, and many ex-colonies. Palestinians will never stop resisting the barbarians
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Who would rule them? Originally Posted by formy but most of the Coptic Christians converted to Islam learned Arabic and mixed with Arabs and called themselves Arabs, they are also mix of Kurds and Turks, remember Mamluks.
So many of them converted to Islam. Others did not. Those who did not live as second class citizens in their own country. Egypt is a Coptic nation that is ruled by Arabs.
The Copts should be the ones ruling Egypt, not the Arabs. This is their land. Originally Posted by formy I'm not a fan of Turkey I despise there founder Ataturk and despise there dictatorship laws that uses secularism as a covering name Originally Posted by formy
Glad to hear we agree on Turkey, although I am not against Turks but the policies of their nation. If you do not support nationalism though, then why do you support Palestine? Isn't it also a nation? I don't support the PKKs use of violence but I do support their struggle for a homeland for the Kurdish people where they can live without being oppressed by foreign powers. I feel the same way for the Palestinians. Originally Posted by formy lol Iran is just another enemy they treat 30% of there population(my Muslim brothers) very bad.
Hold on, Iran's population is only 30% Muslim??? Originally Posted by formy look I'm a Muslim and in Islam there is no nationalism. and Egypt is not occupied Coptic land the people who live in it ethnically are Copts, just because they are called Arabs doesn't mean only the few Christians are the real Copts, Christian and Muslim Egyptians look the same.
In Christianity there is no nationalism either, we are all created in God's likeness and image and all believers are supposed to be united in Jesus.
Copts are not Arabs. In fact, Arabs introduced this word to describe the Egyptian people whose land they occupied. Copt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Arab rule in Egypt has been characterized by repression against its indigenous inhabitants. These people have been reduced to being a minority in their own country and are still being discriminated against today. Originally Posted by formy first of all I'm against nationalism second I never been a fan of Iran's, Turkish, and Egyptian governments and Iraq's government I have no business on it its all American made. and finally the terrorist state of Israel never was a nation and never will be
Personally I think that every human rights abusing nation is a terrorist state.
Do you propose the destruction of Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Egypt like you propose the destruction of Israel? All 5 of them are terrorist states. Originally Posted by formy Israel started as an enemy and will always be. Fair enough. I pray though that Israelis and Palestinians can come about to a just peace. I pray the same thing for other nations and peoples who are fighting each other.
I do believe that Israel is guilty of far more atrocities than the Palestinians and I often speak out about that. However, destroying it and replacing one form of discriminatory colonialist rule by another is not going to solve anything.  |
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the owners of the land. the one who were expelled.
So many of them converted to Islam. Others did not. Those who did not live as second class citizens in their own country. Egypt is a Coptic nation that is ruled by Arabs.
The Copts should be the ones ruling Egypt, not the Arabs. This is their land.
actually the Muslims in Sinai are oppressed the most nowadays not the Copts, Hussni Mubark is a dictator.
Glad to hear we agree on Turkey, although I am not against Turks but the policies of their nation. If you do not support nationalism though, then why do you support Palestine? Isn't it also a nation? I don't support the PKKs use of violence but I do support their struggle for a homeland for the Kurdish people where they can live without being oppressed by foreign powers. I feel the same way for the Palestinians.
I support Palestine because I'm tired seeing my brothers dying I also support Sunnis in Iran, I support Muslims in Chechnya who was illegally occupied by the Russians and I support my Turkish brothers in China and support my brothers in Kashmir who is oppressed by the Indians and all my oppressed brothers in the world.
Hold on, Iran's population is only 30% Muslim???
we Sunnis consider Shia as polytheists and they consider us as apostates.
In Christianity there is no nationalism either, we are all created in God's likeness and image and all believers are supposed to be united in Jesus.
((O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).)) Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) said: “there is no difference between an Arab or an Ajmi(none Arab) but in piousness”
Copts are not Arabs. In fact, Arabs introduced this word to describe the Egyptian people whose land they occupied.
one of the Byzantines Emperors sent a Coptic slave women as a gift to Prophet Muhammad(peace be upon him) and he freed her and married her she then converted to Islam and her name is Maria AL-Coptia(may Allah have mercy on her) does that make her an Arab too?
funny thing Copts are called Copts when it comes to religion but they are called Arabs when it comes to nationalism
Arab rule in Egypt has been characterized by repression against its indigenous inhabitants. These people have been reduced to being a minority in their own country and are still being discriminated against today.
again the Muslims in Sinai are also Bedouin Arabs are oppressed more then anyone so your argument is invalid, and Hussni Mubark is probably from Coptic ancestors, so he is a Copt oppressing Arabs in Sinai.
Personally I think that every human rights abusing nation is a terrorist state.
so you consider many westerner countries as terrorist states including the US?
Do you propose the destruction of Iran, Iraq, Turkey and Egypt like you propose the destruction of Israel? All 5 of them are terrorist states.
I don't want to destroy Iran because they are a nation I'd say kick these Mullahs and make a better government same to Turkey and Egypt, Iraq I'm not sure if they really have a government.
but Israel is not a nation it is a colony.
Fair enough. I pray though that Israelis and Palestinians can come about to a just peace. I pray the same thing for other nations and peoples who are fighting each other.
I do believe that Israel is guilty of far more atrocities than the Palestinians and I often speak out about that. However, destroying it and replacing one form of discriminatory colonialist rule by another is not going to solve anything.
Israel spawned from war, it started a war and it is a 60 years old war, and the only solution to end this 60 years old war is to destroy the one who created it.
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