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The Lady Kate · #61 2nd November 2009, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by clirus

When the people of Sodom and Gomorrah came to Lots door they said, Genesis 19:5, "And they called unto Lot and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them." Lot tried to get rid of the people by offering his virgin daughter.

Do you plan to have children? Do you want a world like Sodom and Gomorrah?

I plan to be a better parent than Lot was... how about you?

The Lady Kate · #62 2nd November 2009, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by clirus

The rising cost of health care/welfare shows that modern medicine has not found a cure for human misery. Modern Medicine has not found a cure for AIDS.

Even jesus said that there will always be poor and suffering, and we're still working on a cure for AIDS... patience is a virtue, clirus.

There is constant war in both the developed world and in the undeveloped world.

As there was before Jesus came... as there was while He walked the Earth.

During democratic administrations they refuse to fight the war, but then the enemies grow till the democrats are kicked out.

So, the Republicans are the enemies?

Many would say the luxuries are the problem, not proof that things are better.

Are you one of the many? Will you forsake your luxuries and go live in a cave?

If witches, adulterers, and homosexuals could be shown to be of such a great value that the Bible should be rejected, then that would be interesting. But all I see is witches, adulterers and homosexuals increasing medical costs and preventing other people from accepting Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and committing to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.

So what do you propose to do with/to the witches, adulterers, and homosexuals, clirus?

Keep in mind... your answer will help determine if you are of any value.

The Bible says God offers 70 years. Psalms 90:10 states, "The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away."

My friend just helped celebrate his grandfather's 101st birthday... and he's still sharp as a tack.

peadar1987 · #63 2nd November 2009, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by clirus

To peadar1987

I looked at the "List of gay, lesbian or bisexual people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"

I would seem homosexuality and the areas of "arts and entertainment" go together.

It's true, many homosexuals have been great entertainers. My view is that you have to be pretty extraverted and comfortable with yourself to admit to the world that you're gay, and this might have something to do with it.

Not that there were also several great scientific minds, who were also gay. Take in particular Alan Turing, without whom you probably wouldn't have a computer to argue with people on the internet about homosexuals' contribution to society. And you'd probably have to learn German in order to speak with me, as few single men were more instrumental in stopping the advance of the German Army.

Originally Posted by clirus

Would homosexuals survive if everyone had to become self sufficient?

Probably. There's no real aspect of homosexuality that would prevent gay people from growing crops!

Originally Posted by clirus

It would seem that homosexuality is only possible when there is excess wealth to support the homosexuality, but then the liberals want equality that will eliminate the excess wealth.

It doesn't take any money to be attracted to someone of the same gender as yourself.

Originally Posted by clirus

I wonder how much Christian taxpayer money was used to compile that List?

It's wikipedia. The sum total of taxpayer money that goes into it is zero dollars, and zero cents.

Originally Posted by clirus

Homosexuals are definitely activists. Earth is the only good thing they have and even that has AIDS. The homosexual concept must be, "live fast, love hard and die young".

Originally Posted by clirus

Maybe God does not consider "art and entertainment" all that important, since homosexual activity is condemned by the Bible.

Maybe he didn't consider breaking German codes important either.

Originally Posted by clirus

Nice to see you trying to defend Atheism/Humanism.

Thanks

And you still haven't answered my question. If I lived in your Christian fundamentalist Utopia, and didn't convert, would I be executed for my atheist. You can just say yes or no, I don't demand an explanation

clirus · #64 2nd November 2009, 05:08 PM

peadar1987 quote

Probably. There's no real aspect of homosexuality that would prevent gay people from growing crops!

Response

There was not real aspect of being a hippie that would prevent them from growing crops, but they ran into sewage problems when they stated their communes.

I believe art and entertainment can exist only after there is economic excess.

peadar1987 quote

And you still haven't answered my question. If I lived in your Christian fundamentalist Utopia, and didn't convert, would I be executed for my atheist. You can just say yes or no, I don't demand an explanation

Response

No, because it is possible to be an Atheist and not participate in Atheistic activities. There a lot of Christians that never do anything that would prove they are a Christian.

There is the old saying, "If you were accused of being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you?"

peadar1987 · #65 2nd November 2009, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by clirus

There was not real aspect of being a hippie that would prevent them from growing crops, but they ran into sewage problems when they stated their communes.

I believe art and entertainment can exist only after there is economic excess.

Well there's no unbreakable tie between homosexuals and entertainment. Again, Alan Turing.

And I think the massive amounts of drug-taking had a substantial effect on hippies not being able to sustain their communes.

Originally Posted by clirus

No, because it is possible to be an Atheist and not participate in Atheistic activities. There a lot of Christians that never do anything that would prove they are a Christian.

There is the old saying, "If you were accused of being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you?"

Good to know!

But the only "atheistic activity" is not believing in God. Everything else isn't connected with atheism. There are plenty of people who are gay, but believe in Jesus, in my mind, that makes them christians. The same with adulterers.

Although people generally assume I'm a catholic as soon as they hear my accent!

The Lady Kate · #66 2nd November 2009, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by clirus

I believe art and entertainment can exist only after there is economic excess.

I thought as a proponent of your own Christian Lifestyle, you were against excess?

No, because it is possible to be an Atheist and not participate in Atheistic activities. There a lot of Christians that never do anything that would prove they are a Christian.

There is the old saying, "If you were accused of being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you?"

Not to your satisfaction, obviously... but your opinion doesn't count.

QuakerPete · #67 3rd November 2009, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by clirus

The Lady Kate quote

A starving man needs food for the body before food for the soul. Think of it as triage.

Response

Now that is the question.

This is what the Bible says.

Matthew 22:37-40 says, "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

Think of it as the great commandment and note which is first and which is second.

You quoted the first two commandments in relation to medical treatment for US citizens. They are not mutually exclusive, whereby you obey the first and just stop there . . . otherwise just have the one commandment, right? The concept of "survival of the fittest" that you're advocating should actually be amended to "survival of the luckiest", for being a Christian will not protect you from earthly illnesses.

Which is why we, as a society, organise ourselves to assist each other in the provision of many services (including medical) in order we can live out purposeful lives . . . some will carry this out under their personal Christian beliefs, others won't. But I've never heard of using Christian scripture to espouse survival of the fittest . . . it goes against everything Jesus taught about the poor and the sick.

jgarden · #68 3rd November 2009, 11:19 PM

There are far worse things in this world than homosexuals and atheists - starting with those who would recreate God in their own image and then attempt to promote their "perserse" personal moral agenda under the guise of Christianity - am I being too subtle?

clirus · #69 5th November 2009, 08:54 AM

peadar1987 quote

But the only "atheistic activity" is not believing in God. Everything else isn't connected with atheism. There are plenty of people who are gay, but believe in Jesus, in my mind, that makes them christians. The same with adulterers.

Response

How can a person say they believe in Jesus and call themselves a Christian (follower of Jesus Christ) when they reject the commandments/doctrines of the Bible?

The Bible clearly states homosexual activity and adultery are unacceptable.

clirus · #70 5th November 2009, 09:06 AM

QuakerPete quote

Which is why we, as a society, organise ourselves to assist each other in the provision of many services (including medical) in order we can live out purposeful lives . . . some will carry this out under their personal Christian beliefs, others won't. But I've never heard of using Christian scripture to espouse survival of the fittest . . . it goes against everything Jesus taught about the poor and the sick.

Response

The Old Testament of the Bible advocates that Jews as a society, organize themselves to assist each other in the provision of many services (including medical) in order that they can live out purposeful lives.

The New Testament of the Bible advocates that Christians as a society, organize themselves to assist each other in the provision of many services (including medical) in order that they can live out purposeful lives.

When you try to mix unbelievers and believers the best that is possible is tolerance, because the two are not basing their lives on the same set of instructions.

I believe the Christian Lifestyle espoused by the Bible produces the fittest and they will survive.

Jesus said the poor and sick need Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and a commitment to follow the commandments/doctrines of the Bible, just the same as all people.