When the US healthcare system is based on pitching the welfare of patients against the profits of insurance companies, there are going to be losers . . . and too often it is the patient. The concept that universal healthcare is somehow linked to a political ideology of socialism or communism just shows how far removed from reality some US citizens are. Those countries with universal healthcare just want the best for their citizens.
I advocate eliminating insurance companies and any government involvement in health care/welfare. That is called survival of the fittest.
Those countries with universal healthcare "may" want the best for their citizens, but that ends up being cost controls, access controls and reduced expectations.
Universal healthcare may keep more people alive, but the overall quality of the society will decline because the weak will become a larger fraction of the population.
The concept of prisons used to be that the person would be converted from bad to good. That does not work any better than the concept that Universal healthcare will cure people. You can keep people alive for a short time, but they end up dying of the disease a little later.
Heard a discussion of chemotherapy where doctors admitted that chemo only works on three or four types of cancer, but they do chemo on all cancers because it makes the patient think something is being done and gives them hope.
The only real Universal Healthcare System is the prevention of problems by accepting Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and committing to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.
Following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible means accepting the situation that God has provided and making the best of that situation.
Humans are born with a sin nature and many choose sin instead of God.
Which is GOD'S FAULT! What a sick joke to create people who are prone to sin, then punish them for said sin!
Originally Posted by clirus
I advocate eliminating insurance companies and any government involvement in health care/welfare. That is called survival of the fittest.
Those countries with universal healthcare "may" want the best for their citizens, but that ends up being cost controls, access controls and reduced expectations.
People have already given you multiple links showing you that this is categorically NOT the case, but you continue to igore them.
Originally Posted by clirus
Universal healthcare may keep more people alive, but the overall quality of the society will decline because the weak will become a larger fraction of the population.
So you are advocating Eugenics, are you? Should we kill babies with Downs Syndrome? What about the Jews? They are merely Untermensch, diluting the pure Aryan bloodline!
Originally Posted by clirus
The concept of prisons used to be that the person would be converted from bad to good. That does not work any better than the concept that Universal healthcare will cure people. You can keep people alive for a short time, but they end up dying of the disease a little later.
You clearly have no understanding of how diseases work. I had bronchitis when I was a child (And after I had been baptised a christian), and were it not for the Irish public health care system, I could well have died. Now, I don't STILL have bronchitis, because the disease is no longer in my system. Because the public health care system CURED me.
Originally Posted by clirus
Heard a discussion of chemotherapy where doctors admitted that chemo only works on three or four types of cancer, but they do chemo on all cancers because it makes the patient think something is being done and gives them hope.
This sounds completely made up. I know of no doctors who would so something like this.
Originally Posted by clirus
The only real Universal Healthcare System is the prevention of problems by accepting Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and committing to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.
I am an atheist. I don't believe in your god, and if I did, I would hate him for all the terrible things he is supposed to have done to humanity, yet my only health complaint is slight sports-induced asthma, which I have had since I was a child, when I believed in your god.
Can I ask you a question Clirus?
Have you ever been sick? Has anyone in your church ever been sick? Has anyone you know ever died?
Why was that? Were they not good enough christians? What about you? Are you going to live forever?
I advocate eliminating insurance companies and any government involvement in health care/welfare. That is called survival of the fittest.
Those countries with universal healthcare "may" want the best for their citizens, but that ends up being cost controls, access controls and reduced expectations.
Universal healthcare may keep more people alive, but the overall quality of the society will decline because the weak will become a larger fraction of the population.
The concept of prisons used to be that the person would be converted from bad to good. That does not work any better than the concept that Universal healthcare will cure people. You can keep people alive for a short time, but they end up dying of the disease a little later.
Heard a discussion of chemotherapy where doctors admitted that chemo only works on three or four types of cancer, but they do chemo on all cancers because it makes the patient think something is being done and gives them hope.
The only real Universal Healthcare System is the prevention of problems by accepting Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and committing to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.
Following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible means accepting the situation that God has provided and making the best of that situation.
Illness of any kind isn't a judgment on your lifestyle or attitudes and behaviours, it's a naturally occurring phenomenon. The human race has the ability and the will to tackle just about any of these illnesses . . . and cure many of them. "Survival of the fittest" is a long way from Christian teaching of "help thy neighbour", which we should all do as individuals (and probably do in most cases) and added to which many countries practice it with their health care systems. This includes assistance with the prevention of problems before they occur.
Not sure what you're advocating when you want to get rid of health insurance companies AND government involvement in health care . . . you still want doctors, nurses, hospitals, etc., right? Then someone has to pay them (even organise them) . . . you're surely not suggesting that survival of the fittest is those who can afford to pay for the treatment are you?
Illness of any kind isn't a judgment on your lifestyle or attitudes and behaviours, it's a naturally occurring phenomenon. The human race has the ability and the will to tackle just about any of these illnesses . . . and cure many of them. "Survival of the fittest" is a long way from Christian teaching of "help thy neighbour", which we should all do as individuals (and probably do in most cases) and added to which many countries practice it with their health care systems. This includes assistance with the prevention of problems before they occur.
Not sure what you're advocating when you want to get rid of health insurance companies AND government involvement in health care . . . you still want doctors, nurses, hospitals, etc., right? Then someone has to pay them (even organise them) . . . you're surely not suggesting that survival of the fittest is those who can afford to pay for the treatment are you?
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The Bible says the wages of sin is death, so maybe there is a lot more relation between illness and behavior/attitudes/behavior than most people want to admit.
I believe accepting Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and committing to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible is the fittest thing you can do and leads to survival.
Which is best, handing your neighbor a sandwich or telling them about Jesus Christ? When the government gets involved in anything, you are not allowed to talk about Jesus Christ.
The Bible says the wages of sin is death, so maybe there is a lot more relation between illness and behavior/attitudes/behavior than most people want to admit.
And maybe it's just another case of the sun shining on the good and the wicked, and the rain falling on the just and unjust alike.
I believe accepting Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and committing to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible is the fittest thing you can do and leads to survival.
And yet, it won't keep the rain off you, will it?
Which is best, handing your neighbor a sandwich or telling them about Jesus Christ? When the government gets involved in anything, you are not allowed to talk about Jesus Christ.
A starving man needs food for the body before food for the soul. Think of it as triage.
__________________ "If I told you what it takes to reach the highest high,
You'd laugh and say 'Nothing's that simple!' But you've been told many times before,
Messiahs pointed to the door, And no one had the guts to leave the temple!" -- The Who
A starving man needs food for the body before food for the soul. Think of it as triage.
Response
Now that is the question.
This is what the Bible says.
Matthew 22:37-40 says, "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
Think of it as the great commandment and note which is first and which is second.
I am an atheist. I don't believe in your god, and if I did, I would hate him for all the terrible things he is supposed to have done to humanity, yet my only health complaint is slight sports-induced asthma, which I have had since I was a child, when I believed in your god.
Can I ask you a question Clirus?
Have you ever been sick? Has anyone in your church ever been sick? Has anyone you know ever died?
Why was that? Were they not good enough christians? What about you? Are you going to live forever?
Response
I am sorry I overlooked your plea for help.
I believe God created all things, both good and evil. Most things God created are good, but evil things are necessary for work-ability.
God grants us four score and nine years on earth to make the decision to accept Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and commit to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible, or reject Jesus Christ.
Death is going to occur due to something. It may be cancer, heart attack, AIDS, STDS, murder, executions, wars, etc., but death will occur.
I believe God loved us so much that he gave us the Bible that tells us what is good and what is evil. God loved us so much that he allowed Jesus to die on the cross as the perfect sacrifice for our sins, so that the sin debt would be paid for those who accept Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and commit to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.
A person can die praising God or cursing God, but they will die and they will be judged.
Read Job and see what God tells Job about His sovereignty.
A starving man needs food for the body before food for the soul. Think of it as triage.
Response
Now that is the question.
This is what the Bible says.
Matthew 22:37-40 says, "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
Think of it as the great commandment and note which is first and which is second.
Well, "that is the question..." too bad you didn't provide an answer.
Apparantly, if someone get's hit by a car, you'd rather preach the Gospel to them than getthem to a hospital.
__________________ "If I told you what it takes to reach the highest high,
You'd laugh and say 'Nothing's that simple!' But you've been told many times before,
Messiahs pointed to the door, And no one had the guts to leave the temple!" -- The Who
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