As I sit here typing I do not any feelings of remorse for what I have written, thus I conclude God is not angry with me.
So God is ok with anyone who does not feel remorse?
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Clirus, what's wrong with you? You've just spouted a textbook atheist argument stating that your god, if he exists, is in fact evil.
I reject the homicidal, psychopathic, needy, irrational mass-murderer you call God, yes. Some of the doctrine of the bible I actually do like though. I'm particularly big on "Thou shalt not kill". Seems to me that this also includes "thou shalt not let die needlessly"
God is not evil, but he is a just and righteous God, in addition to being a loving God.
Romans 6:23 states, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
God does not want anyone to suffer, but the condition for not suffering is to accept Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and commit to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.
John 3:16-17 says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
People come up with all kinds of justifications to hate God, but the rejection of God still produces disease, death destruction and poverty just as the Bible states.
People that reject God do not die needlessly, they die as a result of their decision. Their death is a testimony of God's righteousness, and a warning to others. An old saying is "If you can't be anything else, you can always be a bad example."
I believe my only responsibility is to warn people of the mistake they are making. After that, they are on their own and suffer the consequences of their decisions.
That is hilarious. So anyone who feels no remorse is automatically innocent. That is a nice low bar. I don't think Hitler or Stalin came across as particularly remorseful, perhaps God wasn't angry with them either?
Actually that is a very high bar for a Christian. I believe anyone that examines them self relative to Jesus Christ will be humbled.
I Corinthians 11:28 states, "But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup,"
It is a low bar when a person examines them self relative to wordily wisdom.
A lot of people use drugs, and do facelifts to cover the remorse in their lives, but it is Christians that have the inner peace that only God can grant.
Actually that is a very high bar for a Christian. I believe anyone that examines them self relative to Jesus Christ will be humbled.
Except you, apparantly.
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Actually that is a very high bar for a Christian. I believe anyone that examines them self relative to Jesus Christ will be humbled.
What about someone who consistently refuses to address the words that Jesus said? In say - Matthew 25? Someone who goes out of their way to ignore Jesus - dismisses Jesus as love without righteousness - misunderstands the whole nature of the Jesus?
Matthew 25 - you still have not reconciled your attitude with the blatant contradictions found in the words of Christ.
Have you examined that aspect of yourself relative to Jesus Christ?
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I would like you to personally apologise to me and other Australians for your lies and arrogance, and for insulting a Country that is vastly superior to yours in terms of healthcare and life expectancy.
Also I want you to pray to God, ask for forgiveness for supporting American Conservative Propaganda. I also want you to repent for spreading evil on this forum and the internet.
Please ask for forgiveness from Jesus. Because Jesus healed anyone who asked and he raised people from the Dead.
I don't think Jesus is happy with your greedy heart, that doesn't want to share with the needy or his neighbour.
Australians shouldn't feel too slighted - the Canadian public healthcare system has bourne much of the brunt of America's conversative propoganda campaign.
Shona Holmes, a Canadian (Waterdown, Ontario) who claimed that she was forced to spend $100 000 at the Mayo Clinic, has been the "poster-girl" for a $1.8 million media campaign to discredit the Canadian healthcare system.
The only problem with Ms Holmes' story is that the "brain tumor" turned out to be a benign Rathke's cleft cyst which is not considered a medical emergency. Unlike the US, medical emergencies and not ability to pay are given top priority in Canada.
The Toronto Star published a letter to the editor from another Waterdown resident, who had an actual brain tumor, and who described the care she received in the Canadian health care system as being of "exceptional quality". Her letter concluded with the comment: "I know our health care system works and if Holmes didn't have a problem with her physician what exactly are her motives for taking part in this media spectacle?"
Never in my life have a heard anyone in Australia proclaim Medicare to be a failure. Perhaps that's because I haven't lived throughout the entirety of Medicare's existence, but it is still quite a far cry to claim that Medicare has 'failed' in Australia. Furthermore, it might be pertinent to add, that I have never heard anyone pose the suggestion that Medicare - public health coverage - should be abolished because of apparent failure, neither in the general public nor in the political sphere. (Perhaps such suggestions were put forward, but were never loud enough... I never heard them.) I have heard (even recently) calls for reform, but never calls for its abolition.
I am glad that I live in a country where I have an option in healthcare to choose between public and private systems.
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“Our reason suffers the peculiar fate that … it is beset by questions which it cannot set aside, as they arise from the nature of Reason itself; but these questions it cannot answer, for they transcend all the powers of Reason.” - Immanuel Kant. Critique of Pure Reason. 1781
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God does not want anyone to suffer, but the condition for not suffering is to accept Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and commit to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.
Accepting Christ does not necessarily mean that one will not struggle and suffer. Throughout the ages, many of the devout and faithful have suffered terribly and it seems an injustice to them to claim that they do not suffer simply by virtue of their religiosity.
If it really were so easy to avoid suffering don't you think everyone would have converted by now?
People come up with all kinds of justifications to hate God, but the rejection of God still produces disease, death destruction and poverty just as the Bible states.
And yet many of the 'Atheist' policies (that you presume to be a rejection of God) introduced in various nations have produced improved health outcomes and increased life expectancy, Not 'disease, death and destruction' that you predict will happen.
People that reject God do not die needlessly, they die as a result of their decision. Their death is a testimony of God's righteousness, and a warning to others. An old saying is "If you can't be anything else, you can always be a bad example."
We all die Clirus. It is a common feature of human nature to be mortal. Being a Christian will not subvert your mortality in this corporeal life. Only in the resurrection is there hope of a new life. But until then, the righteous and the wicked still share the same doom: death.
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In Australia, the primary source of income for healthcare provides funds for teaching hospitals.
But here, the primary source is the profit hungry big insurance racket and they don't.
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They have a universal government run scheme called Medicare. It is funded by a levy on wages, like FICA. Like all such schemes it has failed and has become a safety net for the poor, who can wait up to four years for treatment.
Most people buy private health insurance, which was re-introduced on the failure of Medicare. Since the private health insurance users also pay the Medicare levy they get a small component of their private insurance claim from Medicare.
A principal insurance company in Australia is Blue Cross. Health insurance is a for profit operation.
Teaching hospitals are associated with Universities which are funded by student tuition fees and general tax revenue. Teaching hospitals are public hospitals and are funded by revenue from patients and money from state governments.
Australian health care facilities are run down from the government health years. Private investment in hospitals and clinics is slowly filling the gaps.
Health care for old people is a separate system funded from tax revenue and kicking in at about age 75 if I recall. Prescription drugs are handled by another program. A list of low cost generic type drugs is profived to a flat $30 fee. Drugs not on the list are sold at market prive.
The Medicare system was introduced around 1980 and had basically failed by 1990. Initially it was very popular because it seemed inexpensive and available to all. That only lasted until the existing hospitals and clinics, which had been of a high standard, were run down and worn out. Before long the fine health care system was a shanbles of unmaintained buildings, obsolete equipment and staff cuts.
Do NOT follow this pattern.
Overall Autralians are reasonably content with their system but very upset at the run down state of hospitals.
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When the US healthcare system is based on pitching the welfare of patients against the profits of insurance companies, there are going to be losers . . . and too often it is the patient. The concept that universal healthcare is somehow linked to a political ideology of socialism or communism just shows how far removed from reality some US citizens are. Those countries with universal healthcare just want the best for their citizens.
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