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30th August 2009, 03:29 AM
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Most have been in the understanding that no one knows the day nor the hour due to that fact of God omnipotence and for that reason his feeble creation could not possible know the timing of Jesus's return. However, if you look at the verse we see that not even the angels will know the time for that matter NOT EVEN CHRIST HIMSELF! UM.....
How in the world could not even the the son of God not know the timing of his own return?
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Alright, let start by looking at the events prior to Christ's return.
Re 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Re 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Re 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Well we see some dramatic changes to this world. We see that just prior to Christ's return the sun is blackened, moon becomes as blood, and the stars fall from heaven and even heaven departing.
Now we know that Christ not only comes as a "thief" to kill in destroy but that he comes as a "thief in the night" ! A literal night.
2pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
How do we tell time? the sun, the moon, the stars. But what happens to these prior to Christ's return? lights out.
It is not that time itself "chronos" will go away but the measuring of time "kairos". This is why it is impossible for one to know when Christ returns as the ability to measured time is done away.
Once certain signs start happening upon the earth one could actually count down to the very day before Christ returns. But again that day is unmeasurable no matter if one has a watch you would be trying to measure something that no longer exists.
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Originally Posted by ross3421  Most have been in the understanding that no one knows the day nor the hour due to that fact of God omnipotence and for that reason his feeble creation could not possible know the timing of Jesus's return. However, if you look at the verse we see that not even the angels will know the time for that matter NOT EVEN CHRIST HIMSELF! UM.....
How in the world could not even the the son of God not know the timing of his own return?
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Alright, let start by looking at the events prior to Christ's return.
Re 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Re 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Re 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Well we see some dramatic changes to this world. We see that just prior to Christ's return the sun is blackened, moon becomes as blood, and the stars fall from heaven and even heaven departing.
Now we know that Christ not only comes as a "thief" to kill in destroy but that he comes as a "thief in the night" ! A literal night.
2pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
How do we tell time? the sun, the moon, the stars. But what happens to these prior to Christ's return? lights out.
It is not that time itself "chronos" will go away but the measuring of time "kairos". This is why it is impossible for one to know when Christ returns as the ability to measured time is done away.
Once certain signs start happening upon the earth one could actually count down to the very day before Christ returns. But again that day is unmeasurable no matter if one has a watch you would be trying to measure something that no longer exists.
Mark
You are really close with this one Mark... thief in the night is realative to how it is going to take place... at a time when no one expects it to happen, gets what he comes for without notice and leaves without notice... the time thing that you have used might be so, but I honestly believe that He is saying that only Father GOD has that particular time in mind and no one else, including Himself knows. Not because of some loss of lunar light or broken clock.
Time will still exist due to the fact that after this event of His return for us... there will be 1,000 years count till the real end of time...
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Reps: 1,235,374,646,602 (power: 1,235,374,650) | | Originally Posted by Super Kal that is relative to how He's going to come, but not to Christians who watch, because when they see these things happening, they know the time is near
Amen the tribulational saints will know the timing of the return of Christ, maybe not the very day or hour but they will know the aproximate time, just like the doctor give a woman a due date but really doesn't know the exact day or hour but they do not aproximately will the baby will come. |
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Reps: 98,686,576,054,975,280 (power: 98,686,576,054,985) | | Originally Posted by B1inHim You are really close with this one Mark... thief in the night is realative to how it is going to take place... at a time when no one expects it to happen, gets what he comes for without notice and leaves without notice... the time thing that you have used might be so, but I honestly believe that He is saying that only Father GOD has that particular time in mind and no one else, including Himself knows. Not because of some loss of lunar light or broken clock.
Time will still exist due to the fact that after this event of His return for us... there will be 1,000 years count till the real end of time...
Actually, the Bible does not tell us that time will cease to exist. This is a misconception based on the KJV translation of Revelation 10:6, that "there shall be no more time." But the word "time" in this sentence carries the concept of delay as we read in the NASB and other translations, ""there will be delay no longer." The message is that when the seventh angel sounds, all further delay will be ended and "the mystery of God" will be promptly finished.
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Matthew 24:36 doesn't necessarily apply to the future. Jesus didn't say that no one "will" know the day of his second coming. So some believers could know the day before it happens. It's now possible for believers to know the things that no man knows, through the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:11-12), who is able to reveal to believers all truth, including things to come (John 16:13). Surely the Lord God will do nothing without first revealing his secret to his servants the prophets (Amos 3:7), such as the prophet Daniel: Jesus could return 1,335 days after the abomination of desolation is set up (Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15).
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Originally Posted by rdclmn7 Not knowing the time applies to the gentiles, seeing the signs applies to the hebrew believers.
I dissagree... the signs are for any child of GOD, who is in Christ...
The signs can be seen by each and every one of us who are in JesUS...
The most likely reason for why He did not give us a day or hour is IF the goodman of the house knew this, OF course he would have everything in order and thus and so... By not allowing the goodman or servant to know the actual day or hour when the Lord of all returns. It makes for us to either be in Him and doing what He left us to do or not... That way the ones who are not will have no excuse when He has all the thoughts, words and actions opened up along with the Book of life in the WTJ... no excuse, just the facts
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