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30th August 2009, 01:20 AM
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So creos like to claim that evolution causes Nazism. I found an interesting quote about that today (thanks to Aron-Ra's vids).
"Even a superficial glance is sufficient to show that all the innumerable forms in which the life-urge of Nature manifests itself are subject to a fundamental law - one may call it an iron law of Nature - which compels the various species to keep within the definite limits of their own life-forms when propagating and multiplying their kind." -Hitler, Mein Kampf, Volume I, Chapter XI
ps. expanding the quote.
"The fox remains a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. The only difference that can exist within the species must be in the various degrees of structural strength and active power, in the intelligence, endurance, etc., with which individual specimens are endowed. It would be impossible to find a fox which has a kindly and protect disposition towards geese, just as no cat exists which has a friendly disposition toward mice. ...The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator."
emphasis added
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30th August 2009, 09:17 AM
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What is embedded in the Theory of Evolution is the concept of Eugenics, a word you don't see evolutionists using here.
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by sbvera13  So creos like to claim that evolution causes Nazism. I found an interesting quote about that today (thanks to Aron-Ra's vids).
"Even a superficial glance is sufficient to show that all the innumerable forms in which the life-urge of Nature manifests itself are subject to a fundamental law - one may call it an iron law of Nature - which compels the various species to keep within the definite limits of their own life-forms when propagating and multiplying their kind." -Hitler, Mein Kampf, Volume I, Chapter XI
ps. expanding the quote.
"The fox remains a fox, the goose remains a goose, and the tiger will retain the character of a tiger. The only difference that can exist within the species must be in the various degrees of structural strength and active power, in the intelligence, endurance, etc., with which individual specimens are endowed. It would be impossible to find a fox which has a kindly and protect disposition towards geese, just as no cat exists which has a friendly disposition toward mice. ...The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator."
emphasis added
I believe it's quite likely he rejected evolution because of his heavy basis in Nietzsche's philosophy, which also rejected Darwinism. Originally Posted by AV1611VET Hitler can take a hike --- let's not blame this just on him.
What is embedded in the Theory of Evolution is the concept of Eugenics, a word you don't see evolutionists using here.
Yes, funny that, seeing as the theory of Evolution and social Darwinism are completely separate things.
It's like why you tend not to see nuclear physicists saying because we have atomic weapons, we should always use them.
The facts of a theory are separate from their applications (or in the case of social Darwinism, misapplications).  |
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by Cabal I believe it's quite likely he rejected evolution because of his heavy basis in Nietzsche's philosophy, which also rejected Darwinism.
Yes, funny that, seeing as the theory of Evolution and social Darwinism are completely separate things.
It's like why you tend not to see nuclear physicists saying because we have atomic weapons, we should always use them.
The facts of a theory are separate from their applications (or in the case of social Darwinism, misapplications).
I have no idea what 'Social Darwinism' is, nor do I care.
Let me repeat myself: What is embedded in the Theory of Evolution is the concept of Eugenics, a word you don't see evolutionists using here.
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET I have no idea what 'Social Darwinism' is, nor do I care. 
Brilliant.
Either way, the point still stands, no matter how much foot-stamping you do - the misuses of a theory have no bearing on its validity.
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Brilliant.
Either way, the point still stands, no matter how much foot-stamping you do - the misuses of a theory have no bearing on its validity.
You can either address the point, or you can keep making posts like the above. Your call
My call is this:
Evolutionists shy away from the concept of Eugenics.
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET My call is this:
Evolutionists shy away from the concept of Eugenics. 
And my counterpoint, for the third time, is:
The uses or misuses of a theory are removed from its scientific validity.
Do you think car designers shy away from the concept of road death?
Do you think nuclear physicists shy away from the concept of nuclear war?
They only engage with it to say the same things* as evolutionists say about
evolution in relation to eugenics.
*These things usually involve either:
- "That's not what it was designed for."
- "That's actually not how it works."
- "Wait, what?" |
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by Cabal The uses or misuses of a theory are removed from its scientific validity.
Who 'misused' the theory?
I clearly (and on purpose) said, 'Hitler can take a hike' --- did I not?
Is the concept (or theory) of Eugenics embedded in Evolution, or isn't it?
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Reps: 205,146,621,849,477,600 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET Who 'misused' the theory?
I clearly (and on purpose) said, 'Hitler can take a hike' --- did I not?
Is the concept (or theory) of Eugenics embedded in Evolution, or isn't it?
No, it isn't. The uses of a theory are never embedded in the theory itself.
The theory of nuclear fission doesn't contain a set of rules about when to drop your atomic bombs on civilian targets.
The theory of engine design doesn't contain a set of rules about how to run a child over with your car. | | |
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