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I think this tells us more about Young's Marxism than it does about Evolution.
The point here is that Young maintains Darwin's biological views were an endorsement of capitalism, whereas Marx and Engels thought the opposite.
There is no denying the influence of political economy on Darwinism. Both Darwin and Wallace arrived at the same conclusion simultaneously after reading Malthus.
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The point here is that Young maintains Darwin's biological views were an endorsement of capitalism, whereas Marx and Engels thought the opposite.
So Marxism contradicts itself about the meaning of Evolution? Young thinks Darwin endorsed Capitalism, Engels thought it a scathing satire of Capitalism while Marx thought it endorsed his idea of class struggle. Hardly a sound basis for understanding a biological theory. And they all make the mistake of thinking Marxist political philosophy is a science and that Evolution tells us about politics instead of biology. But seeing as Social Darwinism made the very same mistake, is it unsurprising Marxists confuse Darwin with Social Darwinism.
There is no denying the influence of political economy on Darwinism. Both Darwin and Wallace arrived at the same conclusion simultaneously after reading Malthus.
Were they influenced by Malthus's political and economic theory, or by his analysis of population growth and resources, in other words biology?
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You mean that guy who wrote, The Preservation of Favoured Races would resoundingly condemn Eugenics?
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Malthus can hardly be described as a biologist, but he was many things including a parson, statistician, demographer and economist...
The sciences were a wide opened field back then and Malthus brought something new to biology, statistics and demography. His work may have been mainly about economics but his insight into biology was ground breaking. His conclusions and his economic and political philosophy which he drew from his study of population growth are less important than the way he highlighted the problem of population growth and finite resources. And it was this problem that Darwin realise could have other outcomes than simply population growth and famine, Another outcome could be selection and evolution.
Best reply to Malthus I've seen:
"Both the jayhawk and the man eat chickens; but the more jayhawks, the fewer chickens, while the more men, the more chickens." - Henry George
Another solution to the Malthusian dilemma, agricultural research and development. Domesticating animals is a very old solution, the green revolution is newer and genetic engineering a further one. But they are all supplying answers, temporary anyway, to a genuine problem Malthus showed us.
But I'll let Robert A. Heinlein answer Henry George "It is never safe to laugh at Dr. Malthus; he always has the last laugh."
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