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You did say that Darwinism gets manipulated by people of both sides, and you felt the need to introduce this guy as a Marxist historian (as opposed to....?), so.....
Yeah, that's the point, he's a Marxist and therefore unbiased in asserting that Darwinism was based on capitalism...
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According to the Marxist historian Robert Young, there is no distinction between Darwinism and Social Darwinism. This fact is not a denial of evolution itself, but an acknowledgment that Darwin's biological views attempted to bring man into nature and were built on the political economy of Malthus, Smith and others.
The scientific theory of evolution has absolutely nothing to do with the social model of darwinism, social or otherwise. Darwinism, according to wikipedia "has been applied to the claim that Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection can be used to understand the social endurance of a nation or country, social Darwinism commonly refers to ideas that predate Darwin's publication of On the Origin of Species."
Bascially, it is a social adaptation of the ideas of natural selection that has no bearing on either the validity of the theory of evolution, nor the morality thereof. A scientific theory is amoral. Trying to inject morality into it is just working from your own biases.
Ok, before we carry on this discussion any further, when we're discussing Darwinism, I would hope that we're talking about Darwin's ideas/philosophies/ideas contemporary with Darwin etc only and not contemporary evolutionary theory?
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Fair enough, I didn't know that. How did Marx believe that Darwin validated him?
[Darwin's work] … serves me as a natural scientific basis for the class struggle in history. (Marx)
Darwin did not know what a bitter satire he wrote on mankind and especially on his countrymen, when he showed that free competition, and the struggle for existence, which the economists celebrate as the highest historical achievement, is the normal state of the animal kingdom. (Engels)
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According to the Marxist historian Robert Young, there is no distinction between Darwinism and Social Darwinism. This fact is not a denial of evolution itself, but an acknowledgment that Darwin's biological views attempted to bring man into nature and were built on the political economy of Malthus, Smith and others.
I think this tells us more about Young's Marxism than it does about Evolution.
[Darwin's work] … serves me as a natural scientific basis for the class struggle in history. (Marx)
Darwin did not know what a bitter satire he wrote on mankind and especially on his countrymen, when he showed that free competition, and the struggle for existence, which the economists celebrate as the highest historical achievement, is the normal state of the animal kingdom. (Engels)
So Marx saw Darwin as the basis for Marxism while Engels thought it described Capitalism?
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