1And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 3And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. 4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Looking around, I believe I see what preparations are being made to devour the child (the church) at the time of the catching away.
This man-made swine flu and it's diabolical vaccine where the world has plans through the World Health Organization to vaccinate people in September and October or it supposedly could kill millions as well as arrangements to declare martial law and silence critics of the plans to empower the UN by December just might fit as the dragon preparing to devour the child.
It is a global effort...all of it...the swine flu vaccine, the preparations to empower the UN, the arrangements for martial law, even the anti-christian/anti-Bible legislation that would make it a crime to say anything against behavior that God says is wrong.
The reason the devil would want to thwart God's plans for the church is because our removal serves as a testimony that God loves us and the New Covenant is real.
God could step in and thwart the devil's scheme and if this is right in the timing, He most certainly does.
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Um, are you sure about that? Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me . . .
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Um, are you sure about that? Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me . . .
I was hoping you'd come back if you saw this. I know you and I were talking about it a while back but I couldn't find the thread.
Evil men conspire. Ten conspire with the beast and agree to give their power to the beast. (Rev 17) The nations in Psalm 83 conspire against God's people and agree to wipe Israel off the map.
There has to be a conspiracy of global proportions for the kingdom of the beast to come together. There has to be a meeting of the minds among evil men to agree to do it. Daniel tells us that the last kingdom is partially clay/partially iron. For two different groups to agree, there has to be a conspiracy.
Anyway, I was saying in the other thread that the devil will be preparing to devour the church when we are caught up and he is cast down but the devil never get's his grubby little paws on us, he just prepares to devour (standing before the woman as the child is about to be born).
I believe you were making the argument that it would serve no purpose to devour us at the time of the rapture because the rapture is a resurrection and gathering so we'll be caught up anyway regardless of if we live or die.
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Evil men conspire. Ten conspire with the beast and agree to give their power to the beast. (Rev 17) The nations in Psalm 83 conspire against God's people and agree to wipe Israel off the map.
Okay . . .
Originally Posted by HisdaughterJen
There has to be a conspiracy of global proportions for the kingdom of the beast to come together. There has to be a meeting of the minds among evil men to agree to do it. Daniel tells us that the last kingdom is partially clay/partially iron.
But how do you know that H1N1 is that conspiracy? There are probably a million things out there that a theoretical beast and ten kings could conspire on, why is swine flu the one? Do you have proof that the governments of the world actually conspired to use the swine flu other than a vague prophecy in the most difficult book of Scripture?
Originally Posted by HisdaughterJen
I believe you were making the argument that it would serve no purpose to devour us at the time of the rapture because the rapture is a resurrection and gathering so we'll be caught up anyway regardless of if we live or die.
That is correct. I don’t know if you want to get into that again, as we already have had dozens of posts discussing that topic. My main beef with your post was your assertion that H1N1 is man made, which sounds about as silly as the people who are claiming Michael Jackson is still alive.
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ARG! I typed out an long answer and then it logged me out before it posted.
...I'll be back...
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ARG! I typed out an long answer and then it logged me out before it posted.
...I'll be back...
You should type long responses on a Word document, that way you can save and spell check them.
__________________ "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! - I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" – Patrick Henry
"In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." - John Adams
"It’s hard to believe that President Obama has now been in office for a year and it’s incredible. He took something that was in terrible shape and brought it back from the brink of disaster: the Republican Party." – Jay Leno
Under the Bush administration, KBR was awarded a contract to build "temporary detention facilities" in the US as reported in their press release dated in Jan, 2006. The purpose is for an emergency influx of immigrants or to support the rapid development of new programs (health care plan? UN control of US?). Also developed is a plan to react to a national emergency or natural disaster.
Also, in the news, the military is recruiting for "Internment jobs" for "civilian resettlement facilities" which goes back to the fact that Homeland Security has contracted KBR to build "temporary detention facilities...to support the rapid development of new programs".
Also under the Bush administration, were at least two presidential directives that give the president (including the current one) unheard-of powers in the event of a national emergency as well as an SPP (Security and Prosperity Partnership or what some call the North American Union) agreement (no congressional oversight) with Canada and Mexico that puts the US under UN law in case of a national emergency, such as a flu pandemic.
Now, those plans have established the procedures for FEMA and Northcom to send out the military in the event of a flu pandemic. The world is currently under a level 6 alert according to the World Health Organization which apparently puts us on a "martial law" footing even though it is not currently being enforced.
All of the above are facts that establish that detention centers have been constructed, the military is recruiting for "internment jobs", there are presidential and international/regional directives that give the president and the UN unheard-of powers, and that the military has been given a "heads-up" that they could be mobilized this Fall due to the swine flu.
The US government, as declared on Fox News, already has a stockpile of untested vaccines for the swine flu which the WHO and the media are HYPING. The makers of these vaccines have ALREADY been given legal immunity if their vaccine injures or kills people (real comforting! HA!). The UK and Canada have talked publically about the possibility making the vaccine for their populations mandatory . If I recall correctly, when Obama was asked that question, he said something like, "we'll see". In 1976, the swine flu vaccine injured and killed people.
Last Fall, at a meeting of fellow-democrats, Joe Biden warned, "Mark my words, mark my words...it will not be six months before the world tests Barak Obama like they did John Kennedy...if you remember anything else I said, watch, we're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis...I promise you it will occur...I guarantee you it's going to happen..." and he told those in attendance that Obama's going to need them to stand with him on his unpopular decisions that he's going to have to make. But he never said what the generated crisis would be.
In April, after Obama met with the Mexican president, the swine flu "outbreak" occurred, hyped by the media, and then turned out to be a dud. It didn't kill the millions that they predicted. Now, on August 9th, Obama is back in Mexico at a meeting of the SPP and they are reporting that the swine flu is going to come back with a vengeance once all the kids are back in school. They are preparing to start vaccinations in Sept and October. Kathleen Sebelius, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, has said she's warned the superintendents at the public schools to prepare to become vaccine clinics.
Now, are they behind schedule with the "generated crisis" that Biden warned us about or are they preparing for an event that might be another dud? What are the "temporary detention centers" for? What "new programs" do they plan on "rapidly developing" that they would foresee the need for temporary detention centers three years ago? Why are they preparing for military involvement? Why are they recruiting for military "internment jobs"? Why all the directives in place for a flu pandemic? How did they know 3 to 4 years ago (KBR, presidential directives, etc) what they would need for, supposedly, this Fall?
There are other things that I did not mention which include preparations by the government for millions of people to die. I don't believe this swine flu vaccine is a benevolent program. I believe it is likely a concoction they've created in a lab to deal with the hyped "overcrowding" of planet earth that the environmental wackos believe is causing the ficticious"global warming". (Did you know the NAZI's were freakish about the environment too?...while killing millions of people) If this whole thing isn't satanic, it's definitely a mental disorder.
George Bush 41 gave a speech in 1991 during which he declared a "New World Order" which he said will come together under the UN. Many leaders of Western nations have been calling for a global government and new world order in last several months. Henry Kissinger even announced that Obama's "task will be to develop an overall strategy for America" and to use the economic crisis to create a new world order.
Those who study prophecy and have read Revelation 13 are aware that there will be global population control and a financial system (mark) under the leadership of a representative of the beast, commonly known as the anti-christ. Many believe, as do I, that the beast is a satan-led governmental entity (based on Daniel's descriptions as well) and that entity will be "given a mouth" (Rev 13) or representative who will blaspheme God and kill and imprison many of God's people under his 42 month "reign". IF the satan-led governmental entity is the New World Order under the UN, then the presidential directives as well as the generated crisis that, by force, puts the US under UN law in the case of the flu, makes sense.
Since writing the above, Nilloc, I have also discovered that the nations of the world are meeting in Copenhagen in December to agree on a cap and tax scheme that helps to empower the UN, to control energy and resources and redistribute wealth.
I believe that when dissension started to rise...tea parties in April, then again in July and August with the town hall meetings, they realized that they are going to have to generate a crisis in order to get their goals accomplished. They want to empower the UN under a "new world order, as Bush 41 said, to control the world. They are going to have to kill or control the population in order to do that in this climate.
So, if the UN is the beast (new world order) that they have declared they want, and they are finding ways to empower the beast, then this is the end - just before the devil is cast down and the beast is given a mouth (rev 13 -representative).
The church is standing in the way.
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You should type long responses on a Word document, that way you can save and spell check them.
That's a good idea. The above post is part of a post describing how the swine flu fits that I posted in another subsection of this website.
So, I copied and pasted and then added a few words.
There are other things going on as well. Islam is trying to basically outlaw Christianity through a human rights resolution at the UN.
Medical professionals are coming out and warning people not to take the vaccine.
There was an international swine flu conference in Washington DC last week and the topics were a little suspicious - as though martial law will be a part of it all. http://www.new-fields.com/ISFC/
It's just all a little to convenient/politically expedient based on what we know their plans are.
They say, in the media, what they want to do and then come to find out they are busy already doing it. Like the idea of filling the air with metal particles and other chemicals to reflect sun's rays. They are already doing that and have declared they'll be in control of the weather by 2025.
Obama's rise and evil protection is not normal. It's like the man has an evil supernatural shield around him. Remember during the election, they nicknamed him "teflon" because nothing would stick. People who disagree with him are demonized as either crazy or stupid.
Anyway, the point is that there IS a conspiracy and it was predicted in the Bible.
I believe that this swine flu and their plans to implement martial law (kill at will) could be the preparations to devour the church just before we are caught up. This swine flu thing, while global, the focus is on the West...the Christian West.
Last edited by HisdaughterJen; 30th August 2009 at 01:47 AM.
Thanks for all the info and links Jen, I'll try to read and respond to it all tomorrow. It's late and I've got a bad headache.
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"In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress." - John Adams
"It’s hard to believe that President Obama has now been in office for a year and it’s incredible. He took something that was in terrible shape and brought it back from the brink of disaster: the Republican Party." – Jay Leno
Thanks for all the info and links Jen, I'll try to read and respond to it all tomorrow. It's late and I've got a bad headache.
No problem...it's long....and it's getting late.
I asked God to relieve your headache.
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