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29th August 2009, 03:46 AM
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Reps: 1,984,022,293,840,305,920 (power: 1,984,022,293,840,324) | | Originally Posted by juvenissun  Many of your quotes can be addressed by Gen:2:3
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
What difference do you think Gen 2:3 makes? How does that say God finshed creating apart from man? Except human who came after Adam, God seems does not create anything after Day 6.
Even if all the passages describe God still creating people and nations, it is still God continuing to create. But it is not just people and nations that are described as still being created, the bible certainly concentrates more on God's relationship with people than other creatures, but as you say it is just 'many' of the quotations that describe God continuing to create people. Many means 'not all', and not all means thare are verses in the bible describing God's continued creation of the natural world, all the plants and animals in Psalm 104, making light and creating darkness in Isaiah 47, forming mountains and creating wind in Amos 4. The pet thought of TE about the supernatural intervention in our daily life could be easily and reasonably taken as the work of angels, and has nothing to do with creation
1) I haven't mentioned any 'pet thought of TE'. I just did a word search for for create, bara, in the OT and pulled out all the references to God continuing to create. Creationist should really check how the bible uses the word bara says instead of simply relying on what they heard from other creationists.
2) I am not sure any angel could uphold the universe by the word of his powerHeb 1:3
3) All of the verses I showed you describing God's continuous creation describe God doing the creating not an angel.
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29th August 2009, 10:29 AM
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Maybe best to define 'created'? As in, not to be confused with Jesus' miracles or the birth of my son 7 years ago.......
New species evolve. Does that count?
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Reps: 44,404,246,110,554,912 (power: 44,404,246,110,568) | | Originally Posted by pgp_protector Who made the Bread & Fish for the multitude ?
Could be angels. Why not?
I don't like to think all miracles are examples of creation. |
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Reps: 44,404,246,110,554,912 (power: 44,404,246,110,568) | | Originally Posted by icamewithasword This seems to go off in tangents....
Maybe best to define 'created'? As in, not to be confused with Jesus' miracles or the birth of my son 7 years ago.......
I like to say that the body of your son was not created, but your son was created.
Your son did not exist before the conception in any form. Do you like to think it that way? |
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30th August 2009, 01:17 AM
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Reps: 44,404,246,110,554,912 (power: 44,404,246,110,568) | | Originally Posted by Assyrian What difference do you think Gen 2:3 makes? How does that say God finshed creating apart from man?
Even if all the passages describe God still creating people and nations, it is still God continuing to create. But it is not just people and nations that are described as still being created, the bible certainly concentrates more on God's relationship with people than other creatures, but as you say it is just 'many' of the quotations that describe God continuing to create people. Many means 'not all', and not all means thare are verses in the bible describing God's continued creation of the natural world, all the plants and animals in Psalm 104, making light and creating darkness in Isaiah 47, forming mountains and creating wind in Amos 4.
1) I haven't mentioned any 'pet thought of TE'. I just did a word search for for create, bara, in the OT and pulled out all the references to God continuing to create. Creationist should really check how the bible uses the word bara says instead of simply relying on what they heard from other creationists.
2) I am not sure any angel coulduphold the universe by the word of his powerHeb 1:3
3) All of the verses I showed you describing God's continuous creation describe God doing the creating not an angel.
OK, I am not going to argue if God continues to create other things.
But, I think you agree that God continues to create brand new human beings, i.e. new people, infants. Right? So, everyone of us is created. Right?  |
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I am saying, everyone, Christian or not, is a new creation. |
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Reps: 44,404,246,110,554,912 (power: 44,404,246,110,568) | | Originally Posted by Mallon New species evolve. Does that count?
No. That is evolution, not creation. | | |
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