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26th August 2009, 07:58 AM
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Can we expect too much from God? I mean, my expectations of Him have been frustrated more than once. Like, when I expect Him to come through for me in the way (and in the time) I have prescribe for Him. In the wake of those expectations I am often disappointed. For instnace, right after I was saved I was troubled by the “reaping what you sow” (or riping what you sew) scripture because I had sowed a lot of bad seed in my wild-and-wooly former BC life. After I became a believer, I just didn’t want to believe that I would have to suffer the consequences (reap the harvest) of my former life. I wanted to believe that those consequences, along with my transgressions, were wiped away. But, as it turned out, in the months and years that followed many of those consequences showed up and I had to do a little reaping of a bad harvest from my former wild sowing. Because I did, I was disappojted with God for allowing it. What about the “old things passed away” clause, I wondered? God had violated my expectation of Him and I was miffed. But it was not because He was wrong but because I was. I had expected too much of God—more than ever He allowed. Have you done that? It was when I learned to let God be God and Jim be Jim (not God, Jr.) that I learned the very-obvious "secret" of how to find peace with God. And that is because I have learned, as Jesus recommended, to simply trust God. Period. No matter if He violates my unreasonable expectations of Him. ~Jim I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
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26th August 2009, 01:03 PM
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Reps: 125,078,383,101,838,352 (power: 125,078,383,101,854) | | Originally Posted by JimB  Can we expect too much from God?
Eph 3:20 Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us, 21 to Him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus to all generations, forever and ever. Amen.
The Amplified reads:
20Now to Him Who, by (in consequence of) the [action of His] power that is at work within us, is able to [carry out His purpose and] do superabundantly, far over and above all that we [dare] ask or think [infinitely beyond our highest prayers, desires, thoughts, hopes, or dreams]--
To answer the OP - NO, not if you stay within the known Will if God.
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26th August 2009, 01:10 PM
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The Amplified reads:
20Now to Him Who, by (in consequence of) the [action of His] power that is at work within us, is able to [carry out His purpose and] do superabundantly, far over and above all that we [dare] ask or think [infinitely beyond our highest prayers, desires, thoughts, hopes, or dreams]--
To answer the OP - NO, not if you stay within the known Will if God. You must mean the “revealed” will of God in scripture. In that respect, we differ (as you know) on what is God’s revealed will is. Not everything about God’s will is known, however, and that is why James said, “13 Come now, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go to such and such a city, spend a year there, buy and sell, and make a profit”; 14 whereas you do not know what will happen tomorrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away. 15 Instead you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we shall live and do this or that.” (James 4) ~Jim I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
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26th August 2009, 02:08 PM
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Reps: 125,078,383,101,838,352 (power: 125,078,383,101,854) | | Originally Posted by JimB You must mean the “revealed” will of God in scripture. In that respect, we differ (as you know) on what is God’s revealed will is. Not everything about God’s will is known, however, and that is why James said, “13 Come now, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go to such and such a city, spend a year there, buy and sell, and make a profit”; 14 whereas you do not know what will happen tomorrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away. 15 Instead you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we shall live and do this or that.” (James 4) ~Jim I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Even in praying for direction - re: the verse in James you like to quote - God's will is known.
The difference my friend, is that I believe we can have the same knowledge of God's will, with just as much clarity as Jesus did.
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26th August 2009, 02:53 PM
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Reps: 610,632,165,073,638,144 (power: 610,632,165,073,670) | | Originally Posted by Balance Even in praying for direction - re: the verse in James you like to quote - God's will is known.
The difference my friend, is that I believe we can have the same knowledge of God's will, with just as much clarity as Jesus did. You mean the same Jesus who prayed, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done" or the Jesus that does my yard work? ~Jim I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
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26th August 2009, 03:21 PM
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Are you suggesting that scripture is saying that Jesus did not know that the will of the Father was for Him to go to the cross? 
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26th August 2009, 03:35 PM
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Reps: 610,632,165,073,638,144 (power: 610,632,165,073,670) | | Originally Posted by JimB You mean the same Jesus who prayed, “Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done" or the Jesus that does my yard work? ~Jim I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. Originally Posted by probinson Are you suggesting that scripture is saying that Jesus did not know that the will of the Father was for Him to go to the cross? Of course not. Jesus knew that He must die for our sins but that was not what He was asking. You will have to explain to me what Jesus meant by that prayer if it was not that He wanted to know God’s will if there were another way except the cup He was offered. I am open to your explanation. ~Jim I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
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26th August 2009, 03:52 PM
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Reps: 381,606,385,253,114,176 (power: 381,606,385,253,137) | | Originally Posted by JimB Of course not. Jesus knew that He must die for our sins but that was not what He was asking. You will have to explain to me what Jesus meant by that prayer if it was not that He wanted to know God’s will if there were another way except the cup He was offered. I am open to your explanation.
Was Jesus looking for another way? I don't believe so.
I believe Jesus was surrendering His human will to that of the known will of the Father.
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26th August 2009, 04:01 PM
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I believe Jesus was surrendering His human will to that of the known will of the Father.
Okay, if you say so. Only Jesus’ words just do not have that sound to me. ~Jim I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
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26th August 2009, 04:17 PM
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Reps: 125,078,383,101,838,352 (power: 125,078,383,101,854) | | Originally Posted by probinson Was Jesus looking for another way? I don't believe so.
I believe Jesus was surrendering His human will to that of the known will of the Father.
EXACTLY, unless of course you add something to the scripture.
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