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As I understand it, a quanton is something between a wave and a particle.

That's about all I know, on that subject, though.
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Originally Posted by Cabal View Post
Erm...no offence, AV, but image googling a word often leads to stuff quite unrelated to what you put in the search box.

That aside, his website is laden with bad design, times new roman, an over-inflated sense of self-importance and a total lack of attempt to explain the basics of his hypotheses without resorting his own very unique jargon - all the hallmarks of a charlatan.

He doesn't refer to creation anywhere, those diagrams you got linked to looked vaguely like Feynman diagrams, which in actual science describe particle interactions. The only thing observed to apparently come from nothing in that field is pair production, and even then that requires there be sufficient energy present.
Okay --- thanks, Cabal --- I'll consider it a bust ---

Just out of curiosity, what's your specific area of expertise?
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Ok, this site HAS to be a spoof.
I think the site might be a spoof. It is certainly more obfuscatory then revelatory. But I think it is probably an outpost of the foil hat brigade.

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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
Okay --- thanks, Cabal --- I'll consider it a bust ---

Just out of curiosity, what's your specific area of expertise?
Ultracold matter. Kinda the opposite of particle physics in some ways! However, I've done enough studying though to know that what the quantonics guy is on about isn't immediately recognisable.

I just find it somewhat odd that a site that claims to be about science has a ton of stock "tips" and news sites, and when you do get onto the science page, even his basic pages are so jargon-heavy you can't get anywhere if you're not a quantonics master - but I can tell you right now that "fuzzons" and "quantons" are not widely recognised particles.

I really am trying to get my head around what this guy is saying and not just go, "oh, he's incompetent" straight off that bat (although it was tempting), but the evidence just keeps piling up. I've just gone through the site trying to find out what fuzzons and quantons are, and both of his definitions incorporate holography, and are written in his obscure characters (as part of his "Quantum English Language Remediation" - not making this up).

If someone has a good idea but obfuscates it in this way, then they're not doing any better a job than someone completely ignorant of science who contributes nothing to the process.

As for the appearance of the phrase "creatio ex nihilo", I think it may have been associated with one of the images only as part of the larger phrase "creatio ex nihilo aperio", i.e creation from nothing laid bare. However, this comes up in his explanation after what seem to be a couple of massive logic jumps, and his only introduction of anything God-like is when he says the sequence 1,2,3 is part of the Fibonacci sequences, then calls the Fibonacci ratio "the God number". So I suspect he was talking about something different....
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I've just gone through the site trying to find out what fuzzons and quantons are, and both of his definitions incorporate holography, and are written in his obscure characters (as part of his "Quantum English Language Remediation" - not making this up).
I noticed that too.

I also notice he seems to be saying that reality is nothing more than one big hologram.

I think that's what he's getting at.

Evidently he must think the Magan David is an icon created from the Jews, who discovered this "truth" centuries ago.

Do the Krel of Altair-4 come to mind?
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
I noticed that too.

I also notice he seems to be saying that reality is nothing more than one big hologram.

I think that's what he's getting at.

Evidently he must think the Magan David is an icon created from the Jews, who discovered this "truth" centuries ago.

Do the Krel of Altair-4 come to mind?
Wah, didn't see you there. I edited my previous post with more on how I think creatio ex nihilo came into the mix (or didn't come into the mix, would be more accurate to say).

Yeah, that seems to be the impression I'm getting. I mean, if you want to be pedantic about it, yes, in the sense that if you treat observable reality as a system of interacting quantum particles, then their wavefunctions will be interfering all over the place.

A hologram is nothing more than a recording of an interference pattern - but I'm not sure if you can use that term to describe reality in the same fashion (seeing as we're talking wave-interference, not wavefunction-interference).

Oddly enough, while the first thing I thought when I saw that star was "Hmm, star of David much?" he makes no explicit textual reference to it on that page. He calls it a star of David in his notes when he talks about putting the image in, but doesn't actually draw any conclusions on it.

As for the Krel, that definitely IS outside of my field but in all the frantic googling searching for info on quantionics (that didn't come from Doug Renselle's site....) I did determine what a quanton is, and apparently...

Quanton - Wookieepedia, the Star Wars Wiki
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Wah, didn't see you there. I edited my previous post with more on how I think creatio ex nihilo came into the mix (or didn't come into the mix, would be more accurate to say).
He calls it "creatio ex nihilo aperio", but I thought that by 'aperio', he meant the Java program.
Aperio is a web-based knowledge automation solution. Aperio provides information analysis, querying, reporting, and distribution capabilities from within a standard browser. Aperio is Java-based, and leverages existing corporate environments. Designed for the large-scale corporate environment, Aperio scales to thousands of users, provides a high level of security, and supports the Windows NT and Unix platforms, and all primary database systems.
(Notice that the aperio has a lot of embedded links in it.)

In any case --- thanks for the 411.
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