If American healthcare isn't "limited"... then why do you have people dying of treatable illnesses for no reason other than lack of coverage?
American health care is limited by what people can afford. If they cannot afford insurance they do not get care (except for emergency rooms)
I believe the reason health care is not affordable is because there are too many cases where preventable diseases and conditions are driving up the cost of health care and insurance rates.
The question is whether to subsidize insurance or to reduce the preventable diseases and conditions.
Obesity is considered to be a least a 100 billion dollar problem that is preventable.
The total cost of AIDS and STDS is unknown, but very large.
The total cost of illegitimate children is very high.
Obesity is considered to be a least a 100 billion dollar problem that is preventable.
The total cost of AIDS and STDS is unknown, but very large.
The total cost of illegitimate children is very high.
We can combat obesity, STDs and birth rates by better education, but I would say you're against state intervention in education.
I find the term "illegitimate children" very offensive. Just because their parents weren't married doesn't mean that they are somehow less of a person. And besides, is the cost of these children any higher than the cost of children born to married couples?
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I believe the present health care system in America uses economics (Capitalism) to ration health care. I believe the health care in all countries is rationed one way or another, because there is no way that the government can give the people everything they want, particularly in the health care/welfare area.
This is true. There's no such thiing as a free lunch.
The ideal system is where everyone does everything possible to prevent health care problems and uses health care as little as possible. Since I do not believe that will ever occur even amongst Christians, then there will have to be rationing of some type.
There is much improvement possible in preventing health-issues. Incentives to use health care as little as possible is one. Education on what is healthy and what is not, is two (problem being that billions of dollars are made in selling unhealthy foods). Stopping subsidies which encourage the production of unhealthy foods (corn fed cows produce unhealthy beef, but it's very cheap due to government funding) is three.
Obviously it would be better for people to stop eating unhealthy fast food day in and day out, but the main goal of all these companies is to keep America eating. This will go on unless these companies get incentives to sell foods that won't cause or exacerbate health problems.
The questions I posed are the issues that will make it very hard for a more socialistic system to be implemented in America. Some think other countries have resolved these problems and I want to know how they have been resolved.
Can America go from having a health care system that offers unlimited health care if you can afford it, to a health care system that offers unlimited health care even though you can not afford it, through government subsidies.
I believe the health care system of other countries is limited health care at an affordable price through price controls and reduced expectations.
I question that America can ever go from unlimited health care to limited health care. Even the health care systems of other countries are having a hard time controlling the expectations of the people.
I'm not really sure our healthcare is limited in some sense. There are different kinds of health insurance one can purchase. The cheapest being the basic health care. You can voluntarily expand this healthcare to include whatever the insurance company offers.
The disabled, elderly and dying get government-paid healthcare. Everyone else is obliged to get at least basic health insurance. I believe the number is that the government pays around two thirds of all medical costs, and one third is paid privately.
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American health care is limited by what people can afford. If they cannot afford insurance they do not get care (except for emergency rooms)
I believe the reason health care is not affordable is because there are too many cases where preventable diseases and conditions are driving up the cost of health care and insurance rates.
The question is whether to subsidize insurance or to reduce the preventable diseases and conditions.
Obesity is considered to be a least a 100 billion dollar problem that is preventable.
The total cost of AIDS and STDS is unknown, but very large.
The total cost of illegitimate children is very high.
Illegitimate children are a disease now? Good to know.
Well we could determine who will be evil before they have the opportunity to be evil then put a bullet in the back of their heads. You can tell of course by the shape of people's noses and certain birthmarks if they are going to be evil or not. We shall start by snuffing out those ones first.
The discussion of health care/welfare is really a discussion of Socialism.
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No, it isn't.
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and that my life would not begin,
until i yawped.
We all must learn to yawp.
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"Can America go from having a health care system that offers unlimited health care if you can afford it, to a health care system that offers unlimited health care even though you can not afford it, through government subsidies." (clirus)
According to the CIA World Factbook, the cruel irony is that despite America outspending every other nation in the world when it comes to healthcare and having "state-of-the-art" medical facilities, the life expectancy of the average America ranks 50th internationally.
"I believe most poverty is because of the wilful disobedience of the commandments/doctrines of the Bible and thus is off the straight and narrow.
The blame for the disease, death and destruction is not something imposed on people, but the wilful decisions made to not follow the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.
I do not believe the Bible teaches that Christians should in any way attempt to punish other humans that deviate from the straight and narrow but then Christians should not help those that deviate from the straight and narrow except to offer the changed lifestyle of Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and committing to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.
I believe the government should not provide health care/welfare/socialism because it rewards humans that wilfully disobey the commandments/doctrines of the Bible. (clirus)
One can only conclude that -
EITHER the US has an incredibly expensive but inept healthcare system
OR the ability/inability to pay for healthcare is an essential part of a very successful tool in the "social engineering" of American society and a deliberate attempt to systematically purge the "poor" from the nation's population - "poor" being a codeword for someone who "wilfully disobey(s) the commandments/doctrines of the Bible."
Country Comparison: Life expectancy at birth
..... Life expectancy at birth is also a measure of overall quality of life in a country and summarizes the mortality at all ages. It can also be thought of as indicating the potential return on investment in human capital and is necessary for the calculation of various actuarial measures.
Rank country (years) Date of Information
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1 Macau 84.36 2009 est.
In the discussion of health care/welfare, Socialists are quick to praise Socialistic nations for what they do and the results of what they do, however Socialists try to hid what they do to deal with evil. An example is the restrictive immigration policy of many countries. By restrictive immigration policies the society is kept monolithic to reduce cultural disharmony. Socialists say everyone is covered by health care in their country, but then is found that health care rationing and cost controls do occur through government organizations and economic evaluations. The only thing that seems to be true is that most people accept the rationing.
Compared to the US, Australia has a highly socialist healthcare policy, and yet it is not true that say that Australia is a monolithic society. It is a multicultural one with a particularly liberal immigration policy.
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