I recall a long time ago that the Spirit Filled/Charismatic and Pentecostal/AOG forums were one.
I am recommending that the same be done with Semper Reformanda....a forum split to put it simply. For exclusivity for Presbyterians and Reformed churches(non-baptist). Because honestly they are 2 different worlds...a presbyterian/reformed church vs a reformed Baptist church(mode of baptism being a big difference among other things.) It just makes sense.
That's just my honest opinion, and I'm hoping this doesn't fall on deaf ears.
Not trying to cause trouble, but I know there is a demand from talkiing to others here.
Presbyterians, and in turn true Reformed are a mainline(I don't like that word, but it's a fact.) denom...and the ONLY one without their own forum.
Semper Reformanda does not do this situation justice. IMHO there is no reason for it.
Thankyou for listening.
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Last edited by LiturgyInDMinor; 23rd August 2009 at 01:36 AM.
Half (maybe more) of what Presbyterians/Reformed believe, Baptists believe also.
Our biggest differences come in regards to "Covenant Theology" as it applies to Baptism and the Lord's Supper and the Creeds being an "authority".
Have you ever read the 2nd London Baptist Confession or the Philadelphia Baptist Confession of 1742?
They both are just minor variations of the Westminster Confession.
So basically, your wanting to exclude any Baptist, Reformed or otherwise.
Hum...
Originally Posted by Artie Johnson
Interesting, very interesting.
As I said in the other thread, it will be interesting to see what you plan to do when the Liberals (PCUSA) join your area.
Well, run up the flagpole and see who salutes.
Perhaps you'll get lucky.
Praying.
God Bless
Till all are one.
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Thanks for your answer Dean, and yes I've read both of those confessions and they are the Westminster almost word for word except edited parts to justify credobaptism as you mentioned along with church autonomy and biblical authority over anything else....fact is...Presbyterians are NOT Baptists period. And IMHO and in a LOT of others opinions "Reformed" Baptists are not truely Reformed. Trust me I just made the transition. The 2 biggies are the PCA and the PC(USA). And NO I wouldn't suggest excluding the other Reformed denominations such as:
The PCA is the second largest Presbyterian denomination in the United States, after the PCUSA. Its motto is: "Faithful to the Scriptures, True to the Reformed Faith and Obedient to the Great Commission of Jesus Christ."
The Presbyterian Church in Canada, formed in June 1875, as a union of 4 Presbyterian groups in the Dominion of Canada (created in 1867); These "Continuing Presbyterians", did not join the United Church of Canada in 1925, of Presbyterians, along with Methodists, Congregationalists, and Union Churches.
Most Presbyterian churches adhere to the Westminster Confession of Faith, but the Presbyterian Church (USA), in order to embrace the historical expressions of the whole Reformed tradition as found in the United States, has adopted a Book of Confessions which includes the Westminster Confession of Faith.
Presbyterian Churches have split a number of times. Many of these historic splits have been resolved. From the continuing branch churches, some have split in turn. Only some of the continuing branches from the main bodies are listed here, with the year of their separation.
One of the most conservative of all Reformed/Calvinist denominations, the PRCA separated from the Christian Reformed Church in the 1920s in a schism over the issue of common grace.
Nothing against baptists...but that's like saying that Anglicans and Lutherans should share a forum
because they honestly share a LOT of their doctrines, etc....not good enough. It is mentioned that Presbyterians and Baptists share a lot in common, and that's true...why do Baptists get a distinctive forum and not Presbyterians and the truely Reformed churches...it's all about denomination identity, which has been well done on CF for everyone but us Presbyterians. To use the Baptist comparison as Dean mentioned...dispensationalism is not a Presbyterian characteristics/doctrine and it is however a Baptist doctrine....credobaptism is not a presbyterian doctrine ever...the existence of the concept of a presbytery is never a Baptist concept for that goes against local church atonomy...creeds and confessions are not held by the majority of baptist churches(and most reformed baptist churches don't hold to them anymore exclusively like the majority of reformed/presbyterian churches do exclusively. There are many many more differences to where I deem it's warranted for at least a serious review by the CF administration. Is that such a crime Dean?
HONESTLY I am sick of being made into an "exclusivist" in the worst sense of this word concerning this subject!!!! Which has been done mind you.
I've already been labeled a troublemaker by posting a poll in the Semper Reformanda forum concerning this very subject...although it wasn't worded as detailed in concern as I have done here.
In NO way am I suggesting to get rid of a forum for fellowship between ALL Calvinists...it's a good thing...but I believe an exclusive Presbyterian forum is in order. I know for a fact that one of the side-effects of my arguement/poll in Semper Reformanda regarding the new SoF's(the reported and locked one) is that there is now a new thread in the Baptist forum for ALL calivinsts...I guess people felt like I was wanting to exclude others from Semper Reformanda by asking that it be made into a true to the Reformed faith forum...well I guess that's a fact...is this so wrong?
I hope that the administration of CF in the very least give honest and prayerful consideration to this idea and don't just respond without thinking about it first.
As always thankyou for listening.
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Last edited by LiturgyInDMinor; 23rd August 2009 at 02:08 AM.
As I said in the other thread, it will be interesting to see what you plan to do when the Liberals (PCUSA) join your area.
Well, run up the flagpole and see who salutes.
Perhaps you'll get lucky.
Praying.
God Bless
Till all are one.
The fact is Dean...I have met more CF members that post regularly in Semper Reformanda that belong to the OPC, Orthodox Presbyterian Church(a very conservative denom) than I have from the PC(USA), so I'm not too concerned about your question.
But I will have the same attitude in posting that the ELCA vs. the LCMS, ie a liberal vs conservative Lutheran comparison, do in their overall LUTHERAN forum. The Lutheran forum as least has the dignity and respect from CF of existing exclusively for Lutherans. See my point?
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Last edited by LiturgyInDMinor; 23rd August 2009 at 02:22 AM.
I think having a Presbyterian forum is a good suggestion. There are numerous denominational forums here so a Presbyterian forum would not be that unusual.
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I think having a Presbyterian forum is a good suggestion. There are numerous denominational forums here so a Presbyterian forum would not be that unusual.
AMR
Sure. We just need to make sure we make a seperate sub-forum for the ridiculously liberal PC-USA denomination.
I like how they did it in the Lutheran Forum...they have 2 different suborums one with 2 and one with 4 of their main denominational divisions. ELCA, etc etc.
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Last edited by LiturgyInDMinor; 23rd August 2009 at 02:09 PM.
Sure. We just need to make sure we make a seperate sub-forum for the ridiculously liberal PC-USA denomination.
Indeed, my brother!
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For exclusivity for Presbyterians and Reformed churches(non-baptist).
So basically, you want a "Presbyterians Only" area?
Even though you include "Reformed" in your request.
People like me, who were educated in seminary in Reformed Theology, who hold to 5 point Calvinism (Reformed Theology), would be excluded exclusively on the basis that I am a "Baptist"?
Ah huh...
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