Cool...thanks for the info. I'm not trying to start a war here over who can claim the mantle of reformed theology. i, too, understand the need for separation between debating factions at times and also know that SR is a place to hash out some, but not all things.
At any rate I've started a discussion thread in the advisory forum (with the UCC too) so hopefully we can hash this out. You know the pace of change on CF at times...but this is definitely now at least on my radar.
Tonks...that's all I asked for...thankyou so much.
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well...that didn't really answer any of my questions. i'm coming at this in good faith and i don't have all the answers. my main, concerns, frankly are:
1) why the presbyterian forum blew itself apart in the past
Who knows? I wasn't here in the past. I wouldn't know. However this is not the past but the present. If we had a forum set up exactly like the Lutheran forum where there is the main presbyterian forum and then the PC-USA/EPC and PCA/OPC sub forums that would work. You guys probably didn;t set it up right.
2) what this baptist / presbyterian kerfuffle is all about.
We agree on soteriology and evangelism which is great, but not on Baptism, the Eucharist, confessionalism, church government, or church order. We are liturgical they are low church.
As previously indicated I'm trying to get smart on the issues. I can't just snap my fingers and make the forum appear.
Understood. But we are a very large Christian tradition and we need our own forum. NOt just for today but for the future so we can grow. It will give us a place to discuss things that pertain to us instead of avoiding topics that the Baptists would certainly debate until the end of time.
Basically Presbyterians and Baptists are as similar as the Orthodox and the RCC yet different as well....you see? You guys have separate forums. Why can't we?
I noted that I'm not opposed just trying to figure out what is going on. So...people can be helpful or not, I guess.
I will help you in any way I can. What do you need?
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Yeah I wasn't around before....I had no idea there actually was a presbyterian forum here at CF.
I like DD2008's idea about how to bascially set up a Presbyterian forum like the Lutherans have a forum or something very similar. DD2008 mentioned many good and MAJOR points of issue/differences between Presbyterians and Baptists. I don't know why there is attitude among the baptist crowd(if any) but it's not coming from Presbyterians...we are just requesting what we think is right and correct for us here at CF. This all started when we were hashing out our new SoF...and the definition of Reformed Theology came into play, some including myself said that Reformed Baptists are not in the traditional and real Reformed Faith, and never have been...it's impossible if you read Reformed Faith history. It went nuts from there unfortunately.
That's why I am asking for this...I see Semper Reformanda as a great and wonderful safe haven/forum for ALL calvinists...that is what it's become and is today. It's also a wonderful forum for learning about Reformed Theology and Calvinism in general...the subforums take care of that...and are rarely posted in actually. Semper Reformanda is no home forum for us presbyterians whatsoever.
I want to clarify one more time though here: when I say "presbyterians"...that includes every denomination listed in that list I posted on Page 1 of this thread...and notice 85% of them have the word presbyterian in their name. This does not and cannot include reformed baptist...for they are reformed literally in name only. I guess that sentiment has added to the hubbub with some baptists here at CF...but honestly it's irrelevant for our request. ALL Baptists have their own forum.
That's just my opinion.
thanks for listening.
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Maker of heaven and earth:
And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
Born of the Virgin Mary,
Suffered under Pontius Pilate,
Was crucified, dead, and buried:
He descended into hell;
The third day he rose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
The holy catholic Church;
The Communion of Saints;
The Forgiveness of sins;
The Resurrection of the body,
And the Life everlasting.
Amen.
To address your concern, Tonks about interest in something such as this...I don't want to post a thread in Semper Reformanda asking if there is interest...it will turn into a flame fest by certain people I believe and I don't want a warning about flaming, etc. The hubbub all started with our baptist brothers and sisters when the new SoF for Semper was being asked about.
So what can WE do? I know this forum here isn't the most well treaded area for people...I know there are a LOT of presbyterian's on CF...how can CF handle this to spread the word about this idea?
Reformed Baptist have their baptist area we should have our own.
Not to mention I dont wanna deal with dispensationalist as a reformed person which is welcomed in semper for some reason.
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I also understand the potential tensions that might occur from Liberal vs Conservative Presbyterians. I think the problem would solve itself if we just have a subforum in Semper. We already have many Presbys there and they will just visit their section when needed.
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I see no need to relegate presbyterians to a mere sub forum.
Thanks for listening.
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Maker of heaven and earth:
And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
Born of the Virgin Mary,
Suffered under Pontius Pilate,
Was crucified, dead, and buried:
He descended into hell;
The third day he rose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
The holy catholic Church;
The Communion of Saints;
The Forgiveness of sins;
The Resurrection of the body,
And the Life everlasting.
Amen.
Reformed Baptist have their baptist area we should have our own.
Not to mention I dont wanna deal with dispensationalist as a reformed person which is welcomed in semper for some reason.
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I also understand the potential tensions that might occur from Liberal vs Conservative Presbyterians. I think the problem would solve itself if we just have a subforum in Semper. We already have many Presbys there and they will just visit their section when needed.
I agree with RC.
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You agree that a sub forum will be sufficient?
Why? Tradition?
I see Semper Reformanda as of right now a totally mixed up forum..it's not what it advertises to be...at all.
Semper Reformanda...if we go with a subforum for presbyterians...needs an entire revamp. Which to me isn't the point.
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Maker of heaven and earth:
And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
Born of the Virgin Mary,
Suffered under Pontius Pilate,
Was crucified, dead, and buried:
He descended into hell;
The third day he rose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
The holy catholic Church;
The Communion of Saints;
The Forgiveness of sins;
The Resurrection of the body,
And the Life everlasting.
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