So basically, you want a "Presbyterians Only" area?
Even though you include "Reformed" in your request.
People like me, who were educated in seminary in Reformed Theology, who hold to 5 point Calvinism (Reformed Theology), would be excluded exclusively on the basis that I am a "Baptist"?
Ah huh...
God Bless
Till all are one.
Yep...just like the Lutheran and Episcopalian forums and all the other denominational forums...you'd be welcome to post, but not debate. Just like I do now in the Baptist forums...I used to debate, because I was a southern baptist...I don't debate anymore because I transitioned to presbyterianism and joined a PCA church. I was born and raised a Roman Catholic(26 years) but I don't debate in their forum. I don't expect any favors, neither should you in this case. You would be "excluded" as you put it in this case because you are Baptist and not Presbyterian.
There is more to reformed theology and especially Presbyterianism than the 5 points of calvinism and you know it. Presbyterians hold to creeds and confessions as an integral part of our faith...Baptists do not. That is but one big example.
Hence my request for a Presbyterian forum. I included a list(on page 1) of officially Reformed Denominations that don't necessarily have the word presbyterian in their names, but in all effect are of the same tradition.
This leads into another question:
How did Presbyterians get squashed into a Faith Group forum in the first place? We are a distinct denomination. Not enough members sporting the icon or what? I have yet to get that answer from anyone here.
thanks for listening.
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And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
Born of the Virgin Mary,
Suffered under Pontius Pilate,
Was crucified, dead, and buried:
He descended into hell;
The third day he rose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
The holy catholic Church;
The Communion of Saints;
The Forgiveness of sins;
The Resurrection of the body,
And the Life everlasting.
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. Not enough members sporting the icon or what? I have yet to get that answer from anyone here.
There needs to be a different Icon. The one used by CF is the one that is used soley by the PC-USA. If you use that one you're supporting the PC-USA.
Bible believing Presbyterians need an icon of their own. The PC-USA is only presbyterian because of their Church government. Their theology is as liberal as it gets. They are a "new age" church. I'll not use that blue icon.
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There needs to be a different Icon. The one used by CF is the one that is used soley by the PC-USA. If you use that one you're supporting the PC-USA.
Bible believing Presbyterians need an icon of their own. The PC-USA is only presbyterian because of their Church government. Their theology is as liberal as it gets. They are a "new age" church. I'll not use that blue icon.
Well ok it is the PC(USA)'s official logo...but that's for another request/thread eh?
The PCA, I read in their 2009 General Assembly records are adopting an official logo for the denomination to be introduced in 2010.
Maybe I should have worded my question as aren't there enough Presbyterians posting on CF to warrant our own forum?
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I believe in God the Father Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth:
And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
Born of the Virgin Mary,
Suffered under Pontius Pilate,
Was crucified, dead, and buried:
He descended into hell;
The third day he rose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
The holy catholic Church;
The Communion of Saints;
The Forgiveness of sins;
The Resurrection of the body,
And the Life everlasting.
Amen.
Yep...just like the Lutheran and Episcopalian forums and all the other denominational forums...I don't debate anymore because I transitioned to presbyterianism and joined a PCA church. I was born and raised a Roman Catholic(26 years) but I don't debate in their forum. I don't expect any favors, neither should you in this case.
But here your wrong. You do debate in the Baptist area and you know it. And if I agreed with everything they taught, I'd be more than willing to post freely in their areas. But...I do not.
You would be "excluded" as you put it in this case because you are Baptist and not Presbyterian.
That is exactly what I was getting at. Not that I hold to Reformed theology and teachings, but soley on me being a Baptist.
There is more to reformed theology and especially Presbyterianism than the 5 points of calvinism and you know it. Presbyterians hold to creeds and confessions as an integral part of our faith...Baptists do not. That is but one big example.
I already acknowledged that part, and Covenant Theology which also plays another big part. I believe in Covenant Theology, just not that I'm under the Covenant Theology of the OT, I'm under the New One established by Jesus Christ.
Hence my request for a Presbyterian forum. I included a list(on page 1) of officially Reformed Denominations that don't necessarily have the word presbyterian in their names, but in all effect are of the same tradition.
So you don't "offically" recognize a "Reformed" Baptist church?
Ah huh...
Just another way I see to shun Baptists.
As I said before, you have the SR area for Presbyterians. But you don't like it because others such as myself post there, and now you want another area on the forums to exclude Baptists from.
I'm running out of places to post on the forums as it is. I'm too "Baptist" to post in the SR area. I'm too "Fundamental" to post in the Baptist area. And I'm too "Reformed" and too "Orthodox" to post in the Fundamentalist area. And now you want to make another area to exclude me.
Ah huh....
God Bless
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Maybe I should have worded my question as aren't there enough Presbyterians posting on CF to warrant our own forum?
Oh. Sure. There are plenty of us.
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But here your wrong. You do debate in the Baptist area and you know it. And if I agreed with everything they taught, I'd be more than willing to post freely in their areas. But...I do not.
That is exactly what I was getting at. Not that I hold to Reformed theology and teachings, but soley on me being a Baptist.
I already acknowledged that part, and Covenant Theology which also plays another big part. I believe in Covenant Theology, just not that I'm under the Covenant Theology of the OT, I'm under the New One established by Jesus Christ.
So you don't "offically" recognize a "Reformed" Baptist church?
Ah huh...
Just another way I see to shun Baptists.
As I said before, you have the SR area for Presbyterians. But you don't like it because others such as myself post there, and now you want another area on the forums to exclude Baptists from.
I'm running out of places to post on the forums as it is. I'm too "Baptist" to post in the SR area. I'm too "Fundamental" to post in the Baptist area. And I'm too "Reformed" and too "Orthodox" to post in the Fundamentalist area. And now you want to make another area to exclude me.
Ah huh....
God Bless
Till all are one.
Dean,
Botton line. We are Reformed PAEDO-BAPTISTS. We would like a forum where we can actually talk about our beliefs without Creedo-Baptists butting in with what we belileve are errors they try to impose upon everyone else. We also believe in the undefinable presence of Christ in the Lord's Supper. We also recognize Church history as valid. We are confessional and creedal. We can't discuss any of those things without debating them with Baptists under the current set of circumstances.
We want a Presbyterian forum.
David
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But here your wrong. You do debate in the Baptist area and you know it. And if I agreed with everything they taught, I'd be more than willing to post freely in their areas. But...I do not.
That is exactly what I was getting at. Not that I hold to Reformed theology and teachings, but soley on me being a Baptist.
I already acknowledged that part, and Covenant Theology which also plays another big part. I believe in Covenant Theology, just not that I'm under the Covenant Theology of the OT, I'm under the New One established by Jesus Christ.
So you don't "offically" recognize a "Reformed" Baptist church?
Ah huh...
Just another way I see to shun Baptists.
As I said before, you have the SR area for Presbyterians. But you don't like it because others such as myself post there, and now you want another area on the forums to exclude Baptists from.
I'm running out of places to post on the forums as it is. I'm too "Baptist" to post in the SR area. I'm too "Fundamental" to post in the Baptist area. And I'm too "Reformed" and too "Orthodox" to post in the Fundamentalist area. And now you want to make another area to exclude me.
Ah huh....
God Bless
Till all are one.
Dean, your out of line here brother. No I do not debate, and hardly post in the Baptist forum anymore.
I did not setup this thread to request a debate with you.
My request stands.
If there are any of the CF staff that would at least post some unbiased opinions about this request...that would be much appreciated.
Have a lovely day.
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I believe in God the Father Almighty,
Maker of heaven and earth:
And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
Born of the Virgin Mary,
Suffered under Pontius Pilate,
Was crucified, dead, and buried:
He descended into hell;
The third day he rose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
The holy catholic Church;
The Communion of Saints;
The Forgiveness of sins;
The Resurrection of the body,
And the Life everlasting.
Amen.
Botton line. We are Reformed PAEDO-BAPTISTS. We would like a forum where we can actually talk about our beliefs without Creedo-Baptists butting in with what we belileve are errors they try to impose upon everyone else. We also believe in the undefinable presence of Christ in the Lord's Supper. We also recognize Church history as valid. We are confessional and creedal. We can't discuss any of those things without debating them with Baptists under the current set of circumstances.
We want a Presbyterian forum.
David
Great words David.
I couldn't have put this better myself.
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Maker of heaven and earth:
And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord,
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
Born of the Virgin Mary,
Suffered under Pontius Pilate,
Was crucified, dead, and buried:
He descended into hell;
The third day he rose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
And sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
The holy catholic Church;
The Communion of Saints;
The Forgiveness of sins;
The Resurrection of the body,
And the Life everlasting.
Amen.
Dean, your out of line here brother. No I do not debate, and hardly post in the Baptist forum anymore.
I did not setup this thread to request a debate with you.
My request stands.
If there are any of the CF staff that would at least post some unbiased opinions about this request...that would be much appreciated.
Have a lovely day.
As I said before, Presbyterians have the SR room.
And I have as much right to voice my opinions here as you do brother. Speaking as a former Congregational/Faith groups Moderator and Supervisor and from experience.
That is the way it has always been, that is probably the way it will stay.
CF already views that we have more fourms now than is what is needed, so I can tell you that you don't stand much of a chance.
But who knows, you may get lucky.
I'm simply telling you that you have the SR area. You want another area all to your own?
With all the differnet flavors of Baptists, why don't we split that area into 16 sub-groups? One for each different style of Baptist?
In the SR area, you already have 6 areas, now you want another.
You already have the biggest area of all the Congregational areas now!
Why don't you ask that one of them be dropped and/or dedicated soley to the exclusion of Baptists and other Reformed faiths?
We are "Reformed" PAEDO-BAPTISTS...We also believe in the undefinable presence of Christ in the Lord's Supper. We also recognize Church history as valid. We are confessional and creedal.
So basically, your telling me that your almost identical to Catholicism with a few minor variations?
Catholics believe in infant baptism. (Without the Reformed part of course)
Catholics believe in the literal presence of Christ in communion.
Catholics are creedal.
In fact, so do a few others on this board.
I'm simply pointing out that you already have the biggest, or next to biggest area of all the Congregational areas. And now, you want another area??
Geez, gimme a break.
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