Young Earth Vs. Old Earth

WingsOfEagles07 · #1 19th August 2009, 11:30 PM

What are your views on the age of the earth? Are you a(n) "young-earth" or an "old-earth" believer and state the rationality for your beliefs.

I am a "Young-Earth" for many different reasons.

1. Starlight travel - Same constant but different methods for it to reach earth faster.

2. Earths magnetic Forces

3. Rock Layers - (Dark_Lite - The Flood of Noah is to be denied by the grand canyon layers because of the "age." Well, Mt. Saint Helen's whenever it exploded these same type of layers were formed within three hours of the catastrophic event.)

4. Seafloor Sediments

5. Salt in the ocean

6. And Many more.

( Note to everyone who is reading, this is not to attack the person for their beliefs but rather a simple discussion of reasoning in between competing views. )

metherion · #2 20th August 2009, 01:13 AM

Okay. Sounds good, no attacking, just a listing. I can do that.

Reasons I am a TE who accepts and old earth and evolution both:

1. Fossil record.
2. Starlight from more than 6-10k light years away.
3. ERVs and other genetic evidences.
4. Ancient cultures going uninterrupted thru the time the flood supposedly happened.
5. Well, the greeks and the romans and the babylonians and the egyptians all had creation myths, why do those of the jews have to be 100% literally correct?
6. Two versions of the creation story with different chronologies just in the creation story, not to mention 2 of every animal versus 7 clean and 2 unclean, etc.
7. The general dishonesty of most 'professional' creationist organizations.
8. The fact that people make predictions and base money-making decisions on evolution and an old earth and they WORK.

EDIT: I realized that this was in the creationist sub-forum, not the origins theology one. FACEPALM. If you request it, I will remove my post.

I apologize, i didn't look at the subforum before posting.

Metherion

WingsOfEagles07 · #3 20th August 2009, 01:20 AM

Note to everyone, this thread it not to attack the "person." This thread is just to have "reasoning" between views. Like we have in the post, of "What makes a Creationist, a Creationist." But about this topic. I will show my answers in the morning. Or later tomorrow in the evening.

marktheblake · #4 20th August 2009, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by WingsOfEagles07

I am a "Young-Earth" for many different reasons.

because the bible makes too much sense to me when viewed through that perspective.

Before I doubted the truth of God/Jesus Christ - a lot. Now I no longer doubt, because I know can see that there is evidence that supports the veracity of the scripture, showing that there is an alternative to what most of us are lead to believe as young people.

WingsOfEagles07 · #5 20th August 2009, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by marktheblake

because the bible makes too much sense to me when viewed through that perspective.

Before I doubted the truth of God/Jesus Christ - a lot. Now I no longer doubt, because I know can see that there is evidence that supports the veracity of the scripture, showing that there is an alternative to what most of us are lead to believe as young people.

Amen! =] You know, I am surprised that "Christians" accept evolution that was started by Darwin who was a willing atheist due to the death of family members that were not saved. So he tried to find an explanation for the meaning of 'life' and how it has came about without the thought of the supernatural. Then Christians in today's world, View Genesis as illiterate just so they can unlock that door and "add" the evolutionary theory to the Bible only at the account of Genesis. If God's word was not literal then why does Proverbs 30:5-6 be true?

5Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

If Genesis was not literal then God's words are falsified and the death of Christ cannot be justified. Let me purpose a questions to "theistic evolutionists."

Why do you believe Christ died on the Cross for our sins, and was resurrected the third day?

--Matthew--

metherion · #6 20th August 2009, 07:20 PM

I would like to propose a counter-question.

If Proverbs 30:5-6 is true, why do so many creationist organizations feel compelled to add such things as:
Miraculous cleanup of the Flood
only animal death inside Eden

and so on?

Also, to your question

Why do you believe Christ died on the Cross for our sins, and was resurrected the third day?

Because mankind sinned against God and Christ came to redeem us and conquer death. Why else?

Metherion

Willtor · #7 20th August 2009, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by WingsOfEagles07

Amen! =] You know, I am surprised that "Christians" accept evolution that was started by Darwin who was a willing atheist due to the death of family members that were not saved. So he tried to find an explanation for the meaning of 'life' and how it has came about without the thought of the supernatural. Then Christians in today's world, View Genesis as illiterate just so they can unlock that door and "add" the evolutionary theory to the Bible only at the account of Genesis. If God's word was not literal then why does Proverbs 30:5-6 be true?

5Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

If Genesis was not literal then God's words are falsified and the death of Christ cannot be justified. Let me purpose a questions to "theistic evolutionists."

Literal != true

You must know that because you don't take the whole Bible literally, even if you do think that the whole thing is true.

Originally Posted by WingsOfEagles07

Why do you believe Christ died on the Cross for our sins, and was resurrected the third day?

--Matthew--

I believe he died on the cross for our sins because the Father asked him to do so. I believe he was raised on the third day because as creation's author, he had power over death.

Smidlee · #8 20th August 2009, 08:01 PM

The scriptures does not come out and claim the "Planet Earth" is only a few thousand years old. Notice I wrote "Planet Earth" since most of time in scripture the word "earth" is referring to land or continent.
In Revelation there are references to a "New Earth and New Heaven" which could referring to the surface of the planet or a totally new planet as the same with the heavens.

Thus I believe it is very possible the Planet Earth itself could be extremely old as we do not know what God was doing before man. The same as it very possible God could have other creatures on different planets in many galaxies in our universe. Since these issues has nothing to do with man there would be no reason to include them in scripture.
There is a hint something happen to the planet before man even though it does not stand out unless you are looking for it. The description used In Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form and void; and the darkness upon the face of the deep..." is also found in Jeremiah 4:23-27 where it's very obvious Jeremiah was referring to judgment. Thus was there a judgment on earth before man? If true then death would have visited earth at least twice.
I do believe the earth (land) as we now know it is around 6-10 thousand years.

marlowe007 · #9 20th August 2009, 08:56 PM

I'm an OEC. I believe the presence of extremely long-lived isotopes in the Earth's crust, and the apparent lack of naturally occurring isotopes of shorter life (Technetium, for example) proves that the Earth is billions of years old.

And I don't think the Earth being 4.5 billion y/o necessarily contradicts the Bible. Most historical theologians (Aristobulus, Philo, Origen, Augustine, Justin, etc.) would probably agree since they did not subscribe to the idea that the earth was made in six literal days.

WingsOfEagles07 · #10 20th August 2009, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by metherion

I would like to propose a counter-question.

If Proverbs 30:5-6 is true, why do so many creationist organizations feel compelled to add such things as:
Miraculous cleanup of the Flood
only animal death inside Eden

and so on?

Also, to your question

Because mankind sinned against God and Christ came to redeem us and conquer death. Why else?

Metherion

Most do not "add" things.

How to explain Romans 5:12 - 1 Corinthians 15:21-22 ? You said man-kind, well, for death to occur there has to be sin. If we are nothing but evolved "creatures" what creature sinned "first" to make it enter the world? Who was the first human for sin to come into the world? If "mankind" did it, prove this biblically.