Young Earth Vs. Old Earth

Why they must be literal? If they were not literal, how come in different parts of the Bible it says God created them "Male and Female" in the beginning for the basis of marriage? (Note not plural, Males/Females or Men/Women)

If they were not literal I ask again how come their is curse of "death" physically and where did it originate? How come Christ died, "Physically" as a sacrifice for man's sin's if death in Genesis meant only "spiritually" whenever the Bible addresses it to be Physical in Romans 5:12?

How come we wear clothes if Adam and Eve were not literal? God made them clothes because they were naked, if they were not literal what is the basis for clothing?

If Genesis is not literal then why is it in Genesis say that everything was vegetarian then the animals turned on each other (carnivores) then in Isaiah says when things are made new it will be like the "physical" realm of before the fall, where everything is perfect and vegetarian?

If the account of Genesis is not literal how does JESUS uphold all things as in Hebrews 1:2 ? How can Ephesians 3:9 be correct?

9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Define Creator.

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If all it was, is an metaphorical message, then how come Genesis is justified by Psalms 148:1-5

1Praise ye the LORD. Praise ye the LORD from the heavens: praise him in the heights.
2Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.
3Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.
4Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.
5Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.


If it was metaphorical, I guess the writer of this passage was praising the "metaphorical" message of CHRIST. Makes logical sense.(Sarcasm).


And also Psalms 147:8


8Who covereth the heaven with clouds, who prepareth rain for the earth, who maketh grass to grow upon the mountains.

This relates to Genesis but I guess he talking about the metaphorical story. Since evolution which is man's opinion is correct over God's account of an infallible Genesis. (Not a Flaming statement.)

Since Noah's flood as a righteous judgment is metaphorical then so is "Lot's" righteous judgment, and therefore since in the book of Matthew 24, Mark 21, and luke 13. (Mark 21 and luke 13 might be switched around.) But it must also be metaphorical of GOD's coming judgment on earth because the last days will be like these two metaphorical stories that did not literally happen.

How can one say GENESIS is metaphorical according to the prophet Isaiah who prophesied Jesus' Birth?

Isaiah 45:11-12 ; 18-19

11Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. 12I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.




18For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
19I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.



I guess a lot of the Bible is metaphorical according to TE's..How do we know Jesus' Death is not metaphorical? We question God's creation because of the presumptions of Evolution. Why not questions His death? (Note I am not meaning this to be literal, I am saying this to contrast the absurdity.) If God formed it to be inhabited, then what is the metaphorical message of this? If it was not literal how do you explain this passage of scripture along with Hebrews 3:4 ?

4For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.

TE cannot add Evolution is Genesis is literal, but the literal interpretation fits with the rest of the Bible and everything therein is justified but if it just metaphorical it raises questions to all these verses of undefined scripture.

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At least you're consistent. But why is this so?

On the contrary, I have never given you an indication of what I believe in regards to the literality of Adam and Eve. I do not believe in a literal account of creation as described in Genesis. But that doesn't mean I don't believe in a literal Adam and Eve.

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If you believe in the literal Adam & Eve then you must believe in the evolution of them both. This is contradictory to God's Word. Genesis 3, Romans 5:12, 2 Corinthians 15, teach Death after Adam, not Before Adam.

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We've been over this before. Spiritual death, paralleling Jesus' death on the cross, etc etc.

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But how do you account for the "Physical" part ?? He physically had to die also. Romans 5:12 and the other ones also relate to Physical, not just Spiritual. How do you relate to this? I say a non-literal Adam & Eve.

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God created everything in the universe. Including us. We differ in opinion on how He did it. But He still did it. Which means whether He went POOF or whether He did it by evolution, He still made us, and He still made us male and female.

And remember, according to Genesis, He made male first, then after male and God decided none of the beasts was good enough for the man, He made female.

But it never says physical death. As a matter of fact, Adam lives 900 some odd years after being told he will surely die the DAY he eats of the tree. And by eating the fruit of the tree, the herb of the field, whatever, they KILLED the fruit itself, the plant itself, the herb itself, etc. Eating involves the killing of living cells, no matter what you eat.

Furthermore, Christ not ONLY died physically BUT ALSO descended to Hell itself to conquer death. Just gonna put that out there.

1. Not all cultures do.
2. Protection from the elements and nature i.e. brambles, thorns, stones (shoes and socks), cold (think of the Eskimos. How well off would they be naked?), sunburn, etc.
3. Different cultures REQUIRED (or at least had it customary) nakedness for certain things. Such as the ancient Greek olympics, all the participants were naked.


God told MAN God had given him everything green to eat. Nothing about the animals being that way. Furthermore, I’m fairly terrible with chapter and verse, where in Isaiah does it say that so I may look it up? I know about the child playing with the adder and the lion lying down with the lamb, but that does not mean they were created that way.

Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

He still made the universe, and He still made the universe thru His Son even if it wasn’t literally as Genesis 1 or Genesis 2 has it.

Ephesians 3:8-9
Although I am less than the least of all God's people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things.
Again, God who created all things STILL CREATED ALL THINGS even if He did not do so in either the exact manner from Genesis 1 or 2.

God Still created it even if He did not do so in the manner of a literal Genesis.

So it’s impossible for God to be responsible for anything if a literal Genesis isn’t true? We know what causes rain, and clouds, and grass, but it doesn’t mean God didn’t do it.

Except God never said Genesis was infallible IN A LITERAL READING.
So God’s judgement is metaphorical and can’t happen if the stories describing it are metaphorical or allegorical? Wow. And here I didn’t think God had limits.

And again to your Isaiah quotes (this is starting to sound like a litany)
Just because God did not do them in a manner factually consistent with either of the Genesis creation stories does not mean God did not do it and cannot exercise any power over anything ever.

Because if Jesus did not die, Jesus did not go to Hell. If Jesus did not go to Hell, Jesus did not exit Hell. If Jesus did not exit Hell, Jesus did not overcome everything we will be faced with. If He did not do that, Christianity is worthless and baseless and false.

No. Wrong. We as TE’s do NOT question that God created. (God’s creation is ambiguous in the english langauge. It could mean either ‘the creation that God made’ or ‘the act of God when He created.’ I presume from the previous context of your post you mean the latter). We question the scientific value of moral stories that contradict the world God Himself created. Especially when the scientific value of those stories has nothing to do with any of said lessons.

Furthermore, evolution has nothing to do with rain, or clouds, or the heavens. A bit bout why grass grows where it grows, but, not “God doesn’t make or do anything ever”.

Yes, but it is NOT absurd. It is the foundation for everything we believe in. if Christ did not die, Christianity is false. If God did not miraculously create everything between 6-10k years ago exactly in its current form... Christianity is still true and is unaffected since the moral lessons are still 100% intact and God did whatever He did how He did it.

If God created it to be inhabited, I’d say He did pretty good even if He didn’t do it 6k years ago.

With the same litany I’ve had all post:
Even if God didn’t do it exactly as described in Genesis HE STILL DID IT.

No, it doesn’t. Unless you put God in a box such that if He DIDN”T do it exactly literally that way He can’t have done anything ever.


You have to physically die before you go to Hell, don’t you? Whether or not it’s a punishment or just the way things are, you don’t go into Hell while still alive.

Furthermore, answer me this:
If you are saved, you still physically die, you are just taken to Heaven. If Jesus has overcome death, and He whosoever believes in Christ will not perish but have eternal life... why do they still die? Unless nobody save Elijah and possibly Enoch (walking with God is very vague)has been saved, everyone who has believed in Christ has STILL DIED. So, if Jesus is here to save us all from physical death... why do we still die? But! Going to Heaven to be with God instead of Hell to be apart from Him and dead to Him for all eternity DOES sound a lot like what Jesus promised. But THAT isn’t physical, now, is it? No, that’s spiritual.

And also, if Adam died the day he ate of the tree, how did he get to be over 900 years old?

Metherion

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PETE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!!!


And, because I won't write anything I'm not willing to attach my name to...

Metherion

Of course not, and why would they be? Using your logic, we should throw away the entire Bible because the events described in the parable of the Good Samaritan did not actually happen.

What exactly gives the Genesis creation story the connotations of a factual account? Because it makes reference to real locations? Well, by that logic Spiderman must have been intended as a factual account because it describes how Peter Parker lives in Manhattan, grew up in Forest Hills, and Gwen died due to a fall from the top of the Brooklyn Bridge.

Also, metaphorical genealogies are known to have been utilised in creation stories, such as in Greek mythology.

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Metherion, I will post to you whenever I can but I cannot right now, because It will take me a long time to explain all of these things, and it is 11:05 P.M. Im kinda tired. Okay.

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It's okay, I posted a lot of stuff. Have a good sleep and God bless.

Metherion

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Oh, for the love of Pete!

PETE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!!!!


And, because I won't write anything I'm not willing to attach my name to...

Metherion

I actually got back on because I had one question. lol. And a statement.

Question
(You believe that God created our bodies through evolutionary processes over the course of billions of years of mutations and the etc. Here is my question to you "personally.")

1. If God needed millions of years to 'create' our first human bodies that have already been through disease and death (to the millions of years) how will he be able to give us new, incorruptible bodies 'in the twinkling of eye whenever Christ returns' ? (1 Corinthians 15:51-53)

Statement
(I hope you do not view this phase of reasoning between interpretations as attacking you or anything. Because that is not what I am intended to do, I am just intended to show you the absurdity of a theistic view on the account of Genesis.)

Okay, Night, God Bless you!

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