On a related note: I got some plant seeds a month ago (Pride of Barbados). I put 4 seeds under dirt, and left 4 seeds sitting on a table. The seeds surrounded by dirt have changed into plants. The seeds surrounded by air remain what they are. I guess a chemical reaction took place between the husks of the seeds in contact with dirt, which didn't take place between the husks of the seeds in contact with air.
What I can't fathom is how matter could ever come to "know" that it is in contact with something, or what it is in contact with. Chemical processes such as chemoreception could take place from here to eternity without the matter involved ever being conscious of what was happening.
I think evolutionists claim that sensation is the foundation of consciousness, but I have a hard time imagining how sensation even arose.
The sense of touch operates via mechanically gated ion channels.
When someone touches you, the pressure opens a mechanically gated ion (Na+) channel, allowing sodium ions to flood the cell membrane of the neuron. This drives the the charge to +30 mV. This is the charge will propagate down the axon, and trigger the opening of voltage gated channels on neighboring dendrites, propagating the signal.
On the original neuron
The Na+ channel closes, and the Potassium (K+) gate opens, the neuron re-polarizes back to its rest state.
That's a bit rough, but that's the basic gist of it. That's not how seeds work of course. I think that the concept is that the moisture in the soil dissolves the outer layer.
And, um, senses is a good proof of evolution. A sensory improvement is an overwhelming advantage over less proficient individuals.
On a related note: I got some plant seeds a month ago (Pride of Barbados). I put 4 seeds under dirt, and left 4 seeds sitting on a table. The seeds surrounded by dirt have changed into plants. The seeds surrounded by air remain what they are. I guess a chemical reaction took place between the husks of the seeds in contact with dirt, which didn't take place between the husks of the seeds in contact with air.
What I can't fathom is how matter could ever come to "know" that it is in contact with something, or what it is in contact with. Chemical processes such as chemoreception could take place from here to eternity without the matter involved ever being conscious of what was happening.
I think evolutionists claim that sensation is the foundation of consciousness, but I have a hard time imagining how sensation even arose.
Did you water the seeds on the table ?
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I didn't water the seeds in the dirt either. I think there is usually moisture in air as well as in dirt.
I appreciate your explanation, but what you describe seems very chemical/physical in nature, and could be analogous to operating a gas combustion engine. What I wish I understood, is how these physical processes could lead to "knowing" that these physical processes were taking place. It seems one has nothing to do with the other.
Have you tried asking a biologist that works in this area about your question, Chesterton? If you're genuinely interested in the question, I'm sure someone with the relevant knowledge would be happy to provide an answer.
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Have you tried asking a biologist that works in this area about your question, Chesterton? If you're genuinely interested in the question, I'm sure someone with the relevant knowledge would be happy to provide an answer.
Of course I am not genuinely interested in the question because I already know the answer; I'm just testing you guys here. And not answering equals "fail".
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