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It was set to Jesus, regardless of the official ribbon cutting of the thing.
And Christmas was set to Pagan Solstice celebration.
And the days of the week were set to Norse gods.
And the Months of the year were set to Roman gods and emperors.
Is this the sort of tripe you base your faith on, brother?
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You'd laugh and say 'Nothing's that simple!' But you've been told many times before,
Messiahs pointed to the door, And no one had the guts to leave the temple!" -- The Who
And Christmas was set to Pagan Solstice celebration.
And the days of the week were set to Norse gods.
And the Months of the year were set to Roman gods and emperors.
Is this the sort of tripe you base your faith on, brother?
Not at all. If you can focus, however, sister, you may notice that the context of bringing up that fact that Jesus sets the calendar was in explaining what God I had, out of many listed. I pointed out mine sets the calendar, being therefore well known, important, and a matter of considerable historic import. Nothing to do with my faith, or the reason for it.
Christmas is the biggest holiday probably on earth. It also has to do with celebrating Jesus and His birth. God made time, and all days are His. If pagans formerly rented the day for vile pueposes, it is of no great matter. They were evicted. Just as they will be in the proper naming of the stars of heaven, the days of the week, geologicall features of the earthm etc, in the forever reign of Christ coming one day. Hec, I hardly find it a worthy endeavor to learn the old names, where not really needed, since they are temporary names.
Try looking before you leap to conclusions next time, sis.
__________________ Pr 21:30 -There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD.
Not at all. If you can focus, however, sister, you may notice that the context of bringing up that fact that Jesus sets the calendar was in explaining what God I had, out of many listed. I pointed out mine sets the calendar, being therefore well known, important, and a matter of considerable historic import. Nothing to do with my faith, or the reason for it.
But as you base your faith on something as vain as popularity, you could've just as easily chosen the Norse gods who name our days, or the Roman gods who name our months... what makes your choice of the Christian God who names our years anything but arbitrary?
Christmas is the biggest holiday probably on earth. It also has to do with celebrating Jesus and His birth. God made time, and all days are His. If pagans formerly rented the day for vile pueposes, it is of no great matter. They were evicted. Just as they will be in the proper naming of the stars of heaven, the days of the week, geologicall features of the earthm etc, in the forever reign of Christ coming one day. Hec, I hardly find it a worthy endeavor to learn the old names, where not really needed, since they are temporary names.
Again, what makes this distinction anything but arbitrary? How do you respond to the Pagans and non-Christians who would say that it is Christmas that has the temporary name, being a date stolen from the Pagans who celebrated it first, and that the days and months are correct all along?
What do you do to prevent it from degenerating into a shouting match? "You're wrong!" No, you're wrong!" "No... YOU'RE wrong!"
Is there rhyme or reason to your decision, or do you just gamble on being the loudest?
Try looking before you leap to conclusions next time, sis.
I'm looking, and I see what I saw before... vanity.
__________________ "If I told you what it takes to reach the highest high,
You'd laugh and say 'Nothing's that simple!' But you've been told many times before,
Messiahs pointed to the door, And no one had the guts to leave the temple!" -- The Who
But as you base your faith on something as vain as popularity, you could've just as easily chosen the Norse gods who name our days, or the Roman gods who name our months...
If I did that, you might have a point. Since it is dreamed up, and you invented it, no one need worry about it. I did not base my faith on such things. The mention of how important Jesus is to history and even the very calendar of mankind, was in relation to showing what God was mine when asked. Mine happens top be at the top of the order list. Head of the pole. In other words, not some mickey mouse god.
what makes your choice of the Christian God who names our years anything but arbitrary?
That depends if God arranged the thing for the planet or not. If so, it is a taste of things to come. That is what is is about, and always has been, and will be.
Again, what makes this distinction anything but arbitrary? How do you respond to the Pagans and non-Christians who would say that it is Christmas that has the temporary name, being a date stolen from the Pagans who celebrated it first, and that the days and months are correct all along?
I don't need to respond to the already defeated! It is what it is. And, when the final leader of earth is allowed to change the times and seasons for a bit, that will be extremely temporary. We will change it right back, with such a vengeance, that none will ever forget.
What do you do to prevent it from degenerating into a shouting match? "You're wrong!" No, you're wrong!" "No... YOU'RE wrong!"
When someone is down for the count, and the 'ten' was reached already, there is no need for fighting. One merely needs to look at the winner.
I'm looking, and I see what I saw before... vanity.
If you think that the time of man and God and the importance of salvation, and God are vain, maybe you need to rethink.
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I can not support any state future with science. Or far past, Neither can you, Be honest. It feels better.
If you cannot do something, do not expect us to, then.
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Since it is dreamed up, and you invented it, no one need worry about it. I did not base my faith on such things.
Had you chosen to be Norse or Roman, you'd be saying the exact same thing.
The mention of how important Jesus is to history and even the very calendar of mankind, was in relation to showing what God was mine when asked. Mine happens top be at the top of the order list. Head of the pole. In other words, not some mickey mouse god.
By that reasoning, Jesus becomes no more important than Tyr, Odin, Thor, and Freya, who name our weeks, or Julius and Agustus Caesar, who name two of our months... apparantly they were just as important to history; you've haven't said anything of substance to prove otherwise.
Nor do I expect you to... and so the shouting match begins.
That depends if God arranged the thing for the planet or not. If so, it is a taste of things to come. That is what is is about, and always has been, and will be.
So, why do you believe God arranged it? Because a bunch of people before you chose the same thing, and wrote a minor part of the calander accordingly?
are you just following what you see as the biggest crowd, or have you actually experienced God?
I don't need to respond to the already defeated! It is what it is. And, when the final leader of earth is allowed to change the times and seasons for a bit, that will be extremely temporary. We will change it right back, with such a vengeance, that none will ever forget.
We will?
When someone is down for the count, and the 'ten' was reached already, there is no need for fighting. One merely needs to look at the winner.
And what do you base your "victory" on? Faith or vanity?
Do you desire to be a Christian, or a winner?
If you think that the time of man and God and the importance of salvation, and God are vain, maybe you need to rethink.
If you think that's what you've been going on about here, maybe you need to think.
__________________ "If I told you what it takes to reach the highest high,
You'd laugh and say 'Nothing's that simple!' But you've been told many times before,
Messiahs pointed to the door, And no one had the guts to leave the temple!" -- The Who
Computer time is set to a 24 hr clock. Calendar is Gregorian which was adopted in the 1582. What does this have to do with my question?
It was set to Jesus, regardless of the official ribbon cutting of the thing. Face it. If you click on your time on the computer, you should see a calendar pop up. The year 2009 means something. It refers to the time since our Lord was here. As best they could figure. The day is a certain month in that year, and the hour fits into that framework. You computer is absolutely set to Jesus. That's what.
You stated that "God is a given. A known. A tested. A tried". I said which god is a given? A known? etc. Zeus? Apollo? Quetzylcotyl? All have EXACTLY the same proof of existence as whatever god you seem to think is "a given". You absolutely cannot show otherwise. Absolutely cannot.
And I informed you my God is the one your calendar is set to. Ask an educated person what the year 0 refers to, or BC, or AD. That's what it's all about.
But, praytell, why are you brining God into it here? The issue is where the comet originated, in this thread.
So you admit defeat on the bolded lines above. So much for "undefeated". Better change your avatar information, it is rather vain and rude anyway. Not to mention inaccurate.
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If you cannot do something, do not expect us to, then.
You that claim a same state past, and build so called science fable after so called science scenario, after so called science dream worlds on that premise have no choice. You must support it, or stand defeated, whether you realize it or not.
__________________ Pr 21:30 -There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD.
False, I did not base my faith on the obvious success of God. So you have no point.
Had you chosen to be Norse or Roman, you'd be saying the exact same thing.
No, it is impossible to claim those are the meaning of Christmas, or the division of AD, and BC!! Elementary.
By that reasoning, Jesus becomes no more important than Tyr, Odin, Thor, and Freya, who name our weeks, or Julius and Agustus Caesar, who name two of our months... apparantly they were just as important to history; you've haven't said anything of substance to prove otherwise.
They were important to history. However, not as important. Not all spirits are equal.
So, why do you believe God arranged it? Because a bunch of people before you chose the same thing, and wrote a minor part of the calander accordingly?
Because the whole year system both before Christ, and after is based on His life here! Why would that truth somehow be forced on man's calendar system accidentally? Those that believe in a Living God realize He does stuff.
are you just following what you see as the biggest crowd, or have you actually experienced God?
I am saved. That is not the biggest crowd.
We will?
Yes, we sure as hec will! We, being the kingdom of God, led by Jesus. We will rule with Him, you know. Co rulers get to do stuff.
And what do you base your "victory" on? Faith or vanity?
Do you desire to be a Christian, or a winner?
What was being discussed was the calendar, and how it ain't pagans that set the year system, it is Jesus. Therefore, there is no need to argue with those that don't like it. They can lump it, it is already a done deal.
If you think that's what you've been going on about here, maybe you need to think.
I do think. And talking about the savior setting the calendar of the planet, and the biggest holiday as well is what was going on in this part of the thread. Maybe you need to take a breath, and pause your thoughts, and listen.
__________________ Pr 21:30 -There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD.
So you admit defeat on the bolded lines above. So much for "undefeated". Better change your avatar information, it is rather vain and rude anyway. Not to mention inaccurate.
I have no need to show a horse water, when it won't drink. I have more than enough proof of God, as do many. It can't be handed out, each person needs to ask God for themselves. Until then, it is not I that is defeated, or lacking proof of God. Think about it.
Unlike science, belief in God, and salvation, and things spiritual are not something for all to see. Only those that seek, and come to God earnestly. In science, it is more about learning how this universe works, and being able to show what we already know. That is why anything based on a present only state in the far future is not science.
__________________ Pr 21:30 -There is no wisdom nor understanding nor counsel against the LORD.
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