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Except that your imaginary creatures are not on the same level as the bible. Besides, you might be surprised, that Christians do think on things that deal with creation, and science. If I hear an idea, I do not usually accept it right away. I consider it, and see how things weigh out with other things. And I include God, and the bible in my things. So do other Christians.
I do not assume you represent the average Christian... neither should you. The truth is that you immediately accept anything you read or hear that matches with your fallible interpretation of scripture (like the stuff about water under the crust) and immediately reject anything that conflicts with your fallible interpretation of scripture.
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Therefore the illustration on a science forum, of science folks being completely unable to defend the very biggest singular principle upon which all past and future scenarioa are based, is of import. Unlike creatures you think are suave to dream up.
<staff edit> If you want us to prove a negative, show us you can do so first!<staff edit> Show us you can prove a negative, and we will do the same. <staff edit>
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The one that your computer time is set to, and the calender that counts.
Computer time is set to a 24 hr clock. Calendar is Gregorian which was adopted in the 1582. What does this have to do with my question?
You stated that "God is a given. A known. A tested. A tried". I said which god is a given? A known? etc. Zeus? Apollo? Quetzylcotyl? All have EXACTLY the same proof of existence as whatever god you seem to think is "a given". You absolutely cannot show otherwise. Absolutely cannot.
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Computer time is set to a 24 hr clock. Calendar is Gregorian which was adopted in the 1582. What does this have to do with my question?
It was set to Jesus, regardless of the official ribbon cutting of the thing. Face it. If you click on your time on the computer, you should see a calendar pop up. The year 2009 means something. It refers to the time since our Lord was here. As best they could figure. The day is a certain month in that year, and the hour fits into that framework. You computer is absolutely set to Jesus. That's what.
You stated that "God is a given. A known. A tested. A tried". I said which god is a given? A known? etc. Zeus? Apollo? Quetzylcotyl? All have EXACTLY the same proof of existence as whatever god you seem to think is "a given". You absolutely cannot show otherwise. Absolutely cannot.
And I informed you my God is the one your calendar is set to. Ask an educated person what the year 0 refers to, or BC, or AD. That's what it's all about.
But, praytell, why are you brining God into it here? The issue is where the comet originated, in this thread.
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A leap year is the result of that. Every 4 years, the calendar has to include another day to make up for its inaccuracies.
There have been other calendars through time, most notable the Mayan/Aztec calendar, which was significantly more accurate, however, Christianity came along in the form of the Spanish invaders and demolished whatever trace of that calendar that they could, including the people who followed that calendar.
Doesn't mattter! If it points to the central point of human history. It is close.
There have been other calendars through time, most notable the Mayan/Aztec calendar, which was significantly more accurate, however, Christianity came along in the form of the Spanish invaders and demolished whatever trace of that calendar that they could, including the people who followed that calendar.
There have been other gods too. Only Jesus sets the year zero! Face it.
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I do not assume you represent the average Christian... neither should you. The truth is that you immediately accept anything you read or hear that matches with your fallible interpretation of scripture (like the stuff about water under the crust) and immediately reject anything that conflicts with your fallible interpretation of scripture.
<staff edit> If you want us to prove a negative, show us you can do so first!<staff edit>. Show us you can prove a negative, and we will do the same. <staff edit>
I can not support any state future with science. Or far past, Neither can you, Be honest. It feels better.
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Doesn't mattter! If it points to the central point of human history. It is close.
There have been other gods too. Only Jesus sets the year zero! Face it.
Because Christianity forced it on most cultures.
If the Spanish Inquisition hadn't come along and destroyed the Mayan/Aztec culture and killed virtually all of them for being heretical, do you really think they'd have adopted the Christian calendar, when theirs is more accurate?
A single year is obviously 1 full orbit of the Sun. Our way of measuring that isn't nearly as accurate as the Mayan/Aztec way of measuring it.
Remember, truth isn't measured in mass appeal. Just because we've been forced to follow the Christian calendar, doesn't make it correct, especially when it's as inaccurate as it is.
I can not support any state future with science. Or far past, Neither can you, Be honest. It feels better.
If, as you seem to suggest, this "present state" began about 4500 years ago, then why are there 8000 year old root systems, still alive after 8000 years?
And as Banana Slug asked, why, when we use radioactive decay to date things, does it come up with dates far exceeding 4500 years? If radioactive decay only came into its "present state" 4500 years ago, then we'd find nothing older than 4500 years.
If the Spanish Inquisition hadn't come along and destroyed the Mayan/Aztec culture and killed virtually all of them for being heretical, do you really think they'd have adopted the Christian calendar, when theirs is more accurate?
If only...if only some other god was stronger than God...! Sorry. Doesn't appear that is the case. One could say, if only Jesus didn't return one day, the bad guys would won. Meaningless. Let's look at reality here.
A single year is obviously 1 full orbit of the Sun. Our way of measuring that isn't nearly as accurate as the Mayan/Aztec way of measuring it.
So what? Apparently that sort of accuracy pales in comparison to pointing to the reason for it all, Jesus! He trumps accuracy of days in this temporal state. By far.
Remember, truth isn't measured in mass appeal. Just because we've been forced to follow the Christian calendar, doesn't make it correct, especially when it's as inaccurate as it is.
It is accurate where it counts. That's all that matters. The days of this temporal state are not the same as the creation week, or eternal future anyhow. Why would accuracy to a vanishing temporal state day mean squat? Think about it.
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If, as you seem to suggest, this "present state" began about 4500 years ago, then why are there 8000 year old root systems, still alive after 8000 years?
There aren't. Look into it. What is the root basis of the dates? So called old wood that the trees grow out of, if I recall. How is it determined to be old? Religion. Look into it.
And as Banana Slug asked, why, when we use radioactive decay to date things, does it come up with dates far exceeding 4500 years? If radioactive decay only came into its "present state" 4500 years ago, then we'd find nothing older than 4500 years.
It comes up with "dates" by assuming that the daughter material only got here in this decay state, as we now see it gets here...to make a long story short. Look into it.
In other words, to make it real simple for ya, if there was a different state in the past, if this state was not here, the dates are not dates in any way. So, was this state here? Prove it, or you have noo case at all. Oh, by the way, you can't prove it. I checked long ago. Now what?
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