You keep seeming to come back to "what if anybody can get drugs" again, anybody can now.
I'm not understanding what you are saying the second paragraph. In the second sentence who is "they" and what do you mean giving them people?
Or you set the stage, for global reform of drug policy, many countries only made drugs illegal because if they didn't we would shut off trade with them.
If you think about it, if god hadn't forbidden the apple... what would the devil tempt with?
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You keep seeming to come back to "what if anybody can get drugs" again, anybody can now.
I didn't suggest nor have I ever suggested that they couldn't get them now. I said: "Legalizing drugs makes them available for everybody. If you regulate them, you don't stop the Black Market drug trade, you just give them the people that can't get what they want. The ones that are causing crime now will cause crime later."
People can now get them but it is not easy for most people. It is also quite expensive to buy them.
You suggest that dealers would rather have drugs illegal or they would be out of business. Legalizing drugs does not put them out of business. It does cut into their profits but they will still be in business, "unless
I'm not understanding what you are saying the second paragraph. In the second sentence who is "they" and what do you mean giving them people?
Somewhere, you have to make a decision how you are going to distribute the addictive drugs, who receives them, and how much people can receive each time. "They" are the people that cannot get the supply each wants.
"If" as has been suggested, these drugs are controlled by drug companies and people need prescriptions to get them, those that cannot get what each wants will go to pushers to buy them. If young teens are not given these drugs, these teenagers will go to pushers.
If you think about it, if god hadn't forbidden the apple... what would the devil tempt with?
Wasn't God wise to forbid it? Where did eating the apple get mankind? Learn from God.
The only thing I think they should legalize is marijuana. Possession of a small amount is only a fine anyway.
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Be sober, be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking some one to devour. Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experience of suffering is required of your brotherhood throughout the world.
Marijuana is a "soft" drug. It's no more addictive than caffeine and compared to cigarette smoking, far less dangerous on your health (not saying it's a "healthy alternative"). My point is, if they think it's so bad they should do more than a fine. If they are going to waste law enforcement time on just a fine, it should be done away with.
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Be sober, be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking some one to devour. Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same experience of suffering is required of your brotherhood throughout the world.
Marijuana is a "soft" drug. It's no more addictive than caffeine and compared to cigarette smoking, far less dangerous on your health (not saying it's a "healthy alternative"). My point is, if they think it's so bad they should do more than a fine. If they are going to waste law enforcement time on just a fine, it should be done away with.
I would base it on the level of addictiveness, health problems/benefits associated with, and behavior modification.
In reality, caffeine, alcohol, medicines are all drugs. Some have a great benefit, others can be if used in the right amount.
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Personally, I can't see how legalization is the answer. What will happen if drugs become legal and anyone can get them. I know many, many, many people who have used illegal drugs over the years and I don't know a single one that was benefited from their use. I do know many of them that had their lives ruined though, not only theirs but their entire families.
Here's one paragraph that doesn't reflect well from what I have seen.
"Drug users generally aren't violent. Most simply want to be left alone to enjoy their high. It's the corner slinger who terrifies neighbors and invites rivals to attack. Public drug dealing creates an environment where disputes about money or respect are settled with guns."
Yeah, the guy that smokes a joint wants to take it easy and enjoy his high but about those on crack. What is he like when he has no more money in his pocket and has to have some. He goes out and steals to get it and if someone tries to stop him, he will kill as well.
I don't know anything about crack, but isn't that something that people make illegally in their kitchen more or less and then sell it? I don't think making drugs legal would allow people to do this anymore. And, from what I understand it is these "street drugs" made in people's kitchens that can be laced with things that can kill and addict.
I think marijuana should be legalized but this other stuff that people shoot up or "cook in their kitchen" should not as it is a death sentence, imo. Or the person will die young, most likely in their 40's if they start young enough and keep it up.
Marijuana is no worse than drinking a beer. It's a great drug for pain and can eventually become a "vapor" with no first hand smoke or second hand smoke. I also do not believe that drugs are for the able-bodied who need to work and get an education to take care of their families. But, I wouldn't put down hard working people having an occasional beer or an occasional hit of pot, AND THE BEER IS MORE ADDICTIVE PHYSICALLY.
Their are a lot of myth's surrounding marijuana. There are people in terrible chronic pain from terrible accidents and are ingesting anti-inflammatories (even aspirin and ipuprofen) tear up the stomach and cause ulcers. I know this personally. I was in a terrible car accident and took Motrin for 12 years until I finally got ulcers. Now if I even take one aspirin I am doubled over in stomach pain. I can't tolerate any pain medications by stomach anymore. I had to suffer through diarrhea for three years because the pain medicines ruined my stomach for good now. Now I suffer from terrible constipation and can hardly go at all. Talk about completely torn up stomach, intestines, et al.
I believe drugs are for sick people, NOT for the able-bodied who need to keep a job. An occasional relaxant, I see no problem with either (i.e., marijuana or a beer which is thoroughly considered "okay" in most church societies for people to have a glass of wine or a beer.)
Also, as far as comparing majijuana to speed drugs. I can see a need that marijuana can fill as far as a real drug to combat chronic pain, but I don't see any need for someone to be all speeded out. I know a lot of actresses and models use these speed drugs to stay thin, but I think they look like walking skeletons, some of them, and some of them could die from heart problems. The body needs food and nourishment period. So, I don't see a need for the speed drugs that could help people in pain or with a disease?
I think they can legalize marijuana and not have to legalize all drugs.
People can now get them but it is not easy for most people. It is also quite expensive to buy them.
You suggest that dealers would rather have drugs illegal or they would be out of business. Legalizing drugs does not put them out of business. It does cut into their profits but they will still be in business, "unless
Somewhere, you have to make a decision how you are going to distribute the addictive drugs, who receives them, and how much people can receive each time. "They" are the people that cannot get the supply each wants.
"If" as has been suggested, these drugs are controlled by drug companies and people need prescriptions to get them, those that cannot get what each wants will go to pushers to buy them. If young teens are not given these drugs, these teenagers will go to pushers.
Wasn't God wise to forbid it? Where did eating the apple get mankind? Learn from God.
Legalizing pot alone would cut out 70% of cartel profit. Couple that with all other drugs, and you are reducing drug lords into petty small time criminals. How lucrative does that career look with 90% of the profit torn out? It would not be sustainable to even a fraction of it's current power.
We are left with a BILLIONS that we used to pay for the drug war, money that can actually go to fighting the root cause of these problems, the demand for, and addiction to drugs.
You must wonder, then why did god make and put it there in the first place? Was God wise to put it their and let the devil in, knowing full well what would happen? (Not trying to start a theological debate)
Legalizing pot alone would cut out 70% of cartel profit. Couple that with all other drugs, and you are reducing drug lords into petty small time criminals. How lucrative does that career look with 90% of the profit torn out? It would not be sustainable to even a fraction of it's current power.
We are left with a BILLIONS that we used to pay for the drug war, money that can actually go to fighting the root cause of these problems, the demand for, and addiction to drugs.
You must wonder, then why did god make and put it there in the first place? Was God wise to put it their and let the devil in, knowing full well what would happen? (Not trying to start a theological debate)
I often wonder why God made poison ivy, fleas and dust mites, too. It's a mystery that doesn't really bother me (meaning I'm not going to rack my brain over it trying to figure out why fleas exist), but fleas and dust and their mites do bother me because I'm allergic to dust (no theological debate either on my part just a point about "why"... I mean why is the sky blue?, etc, etc, etc....
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