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__________________ Slug's 1st Law of YECism- Genesis 1-9 must be interpreted literally. Slug's 2nd Law of YECism- Any other verses can be interpreted liberally to support the 1st Law. Slug's 3rd Law of YECism- Make up any extra-Biblical claim, no matter how wild, to wave-away evidence in violation of the 1st Law.
"If God sent a wind from space, and blew waters off the surface, for example, the waters would go down. Just as if you take a cup full of water over a sink, and blow hard on it, a lot will go out of the cup. Elementary." -dad ^This statement nullifies his own argument by comparing a "present state" event to a "past state" event!
Yes --- remember: He could have done it all in one picosecond.
Actually, he did. It's called the Big Bang (thanks to Einstein, and it probably wasn't a "bang" either, as physical laws weren't yet in existence), and that picosecond is referred to as a singularity.
__________________ We are surrounded by endless forms, most beautiful and most wonderful, and it is noaccident, but the direct consequence of evolution by non-random natural selection - the only game in town, the greatest show on Earth. ~R.D.
This was posted by Cabal Right, except he put mankind into an allegedly perfect world that yet contained one fruit which (somehow) screwed up everything for not just the two humans at the time, but all their descendants.
And given that he's meant to be omnipotent and omniscient, even before creating everything he knew that he was going to be sending the vast majority of these beings he apparently loved so much to hell, as a result of putting a choice in front of them they had no way of fully understanding to begin with. At best it's bad planning, at worst it's either a lack of total omnipotence or actual sadism.
Surely the simpler solution that allows less suffering for all concerned is - don't create?
I thought I would back pedal abit to this post by Cabal. These sorts of questions must enter everyone’s mind sooner or later. I am in no way claiming I have the answers but I have heard a number of messages, read a few books and have done a study or two of my own on these topics. I don’t know how big a post you can put up in here and I don’t want to bore you with a long post but it’s hard to give my take on this in a few short sentences. There was a time in my walk where I would always focus on the negative with God. My mind would be filled with many questions like these and was never really satisfied with any answers. That was before I understood or truly felt God’s love. We were created with free choice. God never set us up for failure, and it’s not because of Him that we disobey. It’s our choices. Could God have created us to ALWAYS obey, with no free choice? That would mean that all real choices would only belong to God, including the choice to sin or disobey. If you act on your own accord you are responsible, not God. What kind of relationship would a father have with his child if he or she was a robot? Every command programmed. You have to have that choice. That’s why I believe God put the tree there. I think it was J. Monsabre who said that if God would concede me His omnipotence for a little while I would make lots of changes in this world, but if He gave me His wisdom I wouldn’t change a thing. He is the Potter, we are the clay. It’s about obedience. He also forgave them. He clothed them in animal skins to cover their sin. Why is it harder for people to see the forgiveness than it is the judgment? Once a person truly realizes why they were created the simpler solution would not be –don’t create. I stated earlier that God never set us up for failure or forced us to disobey. That is our choice. To say that they never truly understood the choice or if I personally would have done differently is hard to say. It was a command by God in which they disobeyed. Something like the ten commandments now that are scoffed at by many. Not requests but commands. I am going farther than I want to here. I will close with a few verses. Many things we wont quite understand in this life but in the 12th verse of the 13th chapter of 1st Corinthians it states “now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully even as I am fully known.” To say God put that choice there knowing the result would be sending a great majority of those He loved so much to hell would be I believe a comment from someone who doesn’t fully understand God’s love. There are many verses backing up God’s love for us. Did you know its four dimensional, or cube-shaped, perfect on all sides, infinite in all directions? Read Ephesians 3 verses 17 to 19. God also wants no one to perish and He states it in 2 Peter chapter 3 verse 9. What are Gods plans for you? Read all about them in Jeremiah chapter 29 verse 11 and 12. And the last verse I will post which most people, believers and non –believers probably hear more than any other verse. And it might seem like old news, or overused, or worn out until the true meaning captures your heart and that is John 3:16 “For God so loved the world….."
I did not do this good justice and I even thought about deleting it but it took me awhile to type out so i decided to post it after all. Hope it helps a bit.
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I asked Jesus "How much do you love me?" He answered "This much". Then He stretched out His arms and died for me.
If you have everything but Jesus, you have nothing. If you have nothing but Jesus, you have everything.
Have you given much thought to where you are going to spend eternity?
Why did God take Eve out from one of Adam's ribs, instead of creating her like He did Adam?
I like this --- from Matthew Henry's Commentary:
Adam was a figure of him that was to come; for out of the side of Christ, the second Adam, his spouse the church was formed, when he slept the sleep, the deep sleep, of death upon the cross, in order to which his side was opened, and there came out blood and water, blood to purchase his church and water to purify it to himself.
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