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Old 17th August 2009, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
I understand.

We call that a 'glorified state' --- and God is going to return this universe to its glorified state (with some modifications) in the future.
Yes, I know. May 11, 2011.
The anticipation is killing me.
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Originally Posted by LifeToTheFullest! View Post
Yes, I know. May 11, 2011.
The anticipation is killing me.
No.

After the next dispensation --- which will run for 1000 years.
Originally Posted by Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Notice the 'passed away' there?
Originally Posted by 2 Peter 3:12
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat.
All the elements on the Periodic Table are going to be affected.

But in the meantime, back to Genesis 1, eh?
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
No.

After the next dispensation --- which will run for 1000 years.Notice the 'passed away' there?All the elements on the Periodic Table are going to be affected.

But in the meantime, back to Genesis 1, eh?
Nope. Harold Camping is a literal KJV'ist. He has a few more years than you, so I think he knows what he's talking about. If he uses the KJV claim that the end is May 11, 2011, then who are you to say he isn't?
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Originally Posted by LifeToTheFullest! View Post
Nope. Harold Camping is a literal KJV'ist. He has a few more years than you, so I think he knows what he's talking about. If he uses the KJV claim that the end is May 11, 2011, then who are you to say he isn't?
The end of what?

Which dispensation is he talking about?

The end of this current one?

In other words, is he talking about the Rapture (which is the beginning of the end of this dispensation); or is he talking about the Great White Throne Judgment (which is the end of the next [and last] dispensation)?

(And the King James doesn't claim any end to be 11 May 2011.)
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
The end of what?

Which dispensation is he talking about?

The end of this current one?

In other words, is he talking about the Rapture (which is the beginning of the end of this dispensation); or is he talking about the Great White Throne Judgment (which is the end of the next [and last] dispensation)?

(And the King James doesn't claim any end to be 11 May 2011.)
You obviously haven't studied the KJV to the extent that he has.

He claims the date of the rapture is May 21 (not eleven, my error), 2011.

The end of the world is October 21, 2011.
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Originally Posted by LifeToTheFullest! View Post
You obviously haven't studied the KJV to the extent that he has.

He claims the date of the rapture is May 21 (not eleven, my error), 2011.
Fair enough --- can we get back to BC 4004 now?
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What's the point of 4004 bce, if the world is ending in just over two short years?

The creation week, we get it, six literal days, then god rested. Case closed.
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Originally Posted by AV1611VET View Post
I'll take any questions you may have on the Creation Week and try my best to answer them from a Biblical perspective.

I'll even throw in some educated guesses, opinions, and ad libs ---
Why did an eternal, self-existing being wait until 6000 years ago to create the universe?
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Why did an eternal, self-existing being wait until 6000 years ago to create the universe?
You can't rush perfection, eh?
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You can't rush perfection, eh?
Which is why after about 13.7 billion years, things are just right.
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