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--- Howdy, Sophophile!I don't mean to be rude or anything --- some people don't like me doing this --- but I have discussed SN1987 rather in-depth in a lengthy discussion with Jester.
5. God knows that if we don't worship Him, we will worship anything and everything else. He doesn't 'need' worship, per se, He directs us to the right Object of Worship --- Himself.
That presupposed that he still needed to create us and have us worshipping him.
If you're omnipotent, you shouldn't need either.
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That presupposed that he still needed to create us and have us worshipping him.
If you're omnipotent, you shouldn't need either.
God is a higher form of Love --- called 'agape'.
Agape Love requires an object to be loved --- therefore us.
He doesn't have to love us --- He could simply suppress agape --- but He chooses to love us.
In fact, He could simply love the angels, or the animals, or even just the plants --- nurturing and caring for them --- but He made us as the focus of His love, instead.
Agape Love requires an object to be loved --- therefore us.
He doesn't have to love us --- He could simply suppress agape --- but He chooses to love us.
In fact, He could simply love the angels, or the animals, or even just the plants --- nurturing and caring for them --- but He made us as the focus of His love, instead.
Praise His name!
Right, except he put mankind into an allegedly perfect world that yet contained one fruit which (somehow) screwed up everything for not just the two humans at the time, but all their descendants.
And given that he's meant to be omnipotent and omniscient, even before creating everything he knew that he was going to be sending the vast majority of these beings he apparently loved so much to hell, as a result of putting a choice in front of them they had no way of fully understanding to begin with. At best it's bad planning, at worst it's either a lack of total omnipotence or actual sadism.
Surely the simpler solution that allows less suffering for all concerned is - don't create?
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Its 1.00am here. I have read the QV thread. Indeed, you give an answer, whereby: God creates the supernova in the palm of His hand 168,000 light years away from earth (presumably His hand is much bigger than this), the light from the supernova begins to travel towards earth at the speed of God's will (presumably near infinite), but later the light slows down to its current speed.
Hope my summary is accurate. B+ for effort.
Unfortunately, the explanation doesn't work.
Remember: a supernova is an one-off instantaneous event. For thousands of years humans observed the star Sanduleak -69° 202a (a blue supergiant) shining steadily in the sky, not apparently moving very much at all. Then in 1987 they saw it explode.
For your explanation to work, there has to be some time period between the creation of the star (and its visible steady light) and the occurrence of the supernova (and its associated visible explosion). Logically the supernova explosion itself could not have been created first, otherwise how could we ever have seen the light of the precursor star Sanduleak -69° 202a?
Hence, my simple questions: How many years ago did the supernova explode, and how far away was it when it did? Your explanation in the QV did not answer these at all.
Why did god create all life with the ability to manufacture vitamin C, with the exception of primates (including humans), fruit bats, and guinea pigs?
Further, why did he create humans with fully functioning three of the four genes necessary to create vitamin C, but not 'turn on' the fourth gene necesarry for this?
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OP....Do you believe that the creation occurred somewhere around 6000 years ago?
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Yes. He believes in a literal interpretation of the creation week somewhere around 6000 years ago.
__________________ We are surrounded by endless forms, most beautiful and most wonderful, and it is noaccident, but the direct consequence of evolution by non-random natural selection - the only game in town, the greatest show on Earth. ~R.D.
--- Howdy, Sophophile!I don't mean to be rude or anything --- some people don't like me doing this --- but I have discussed SN1987 rather in-depth in a lengthy discussion with Jester.
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