For those of us who believe that grace can be resisted and a person simply needs to choose salvation after being wooed (drawn) by HS after a proper understanding of the Gospel, a query: During the "wooing" period, when the person is in a position to choose or reject eternal life, is this person dead or alive spiritually?
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Sorry, I guess that's one I can't answer for ya. As a fundie I reject the idea of resistible grace. Regeneration is by God's grace alone. And until He regenerates us we cannot be free to accept His calling.
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As a fundie I reject the idea of resistible grace. Regeneration is by God's grace alone. And until He regenerates us we cannot be free to accept His calling.
Um, that position would be a Calvinist one, not a Fundamentalist one - at least by the definition given here.
I agree with everything on that SoF, but don't really claim the name Fundamentalist. FWIW, I hold a position that regeneration is by God's grace alone, yet that grace is resistible. IOW, we cannot choose to be saved, but we can choose to fall away.
[quote=CantateDomino;53070431]Um, that position would be a Calvinist one, not a Fundamentalist one - at least by the definition given here. /quote]
Where in the Fund. SOF do you see that? I have to admit to a certain logic in the Calvinist thinking of grace and regeneration. The only question is whether that logic is biblical or not.
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judging by the fundamentalist way of thinking they'd be dead until they accept God totally surely?
Hey, you beat me to it.
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To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge" --Ravi Zacharias
‘If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents—the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else’s. But if their thoughts—i.e. of materialism and astronomy—are merely accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It’s like expecting that the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milkjug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.’
C.S. Lewis
"God is in the rain."~Evey in V for Vendetta
"Strength is born in the deep silence of long suffering hearts; not amid joy." Felicia Hemans
"The unexamined life is not worth living". ~Socrates
i hated it when God insisted i "yawp!"
but He knew i must,
and that my life would not begin,
until i yawped.
We all must learn to yawp.
we MUST awaken the passion,
that part of us that feels intensely,
and is NOT afraid to say so
or to express it.
Otherwise we are just dead men walking.
my journal/blog:
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For those of us who believe that grace can be resisted and a person simply needs to choose salvation after being wooed (drawn) by HS after a proper understanding of the Gospel, a query: During the "wooing" period, when the person is in a position to choose or reject eternal life, is this person dead or alive spiritually?
This person is dead until the LIFE of CHRIST is in him.
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To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge" --Ravi Zacharias
‘If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents—the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for the thoughts of the materialists and astronomers as well as for anyone else’s. But if their thoughts—i.e. of materialism and astronomy—are merely accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? I see no reason for believing that one accident should be able to give me a correct account of all the other accidents. It’s like expecting that the accidental shape taken by the splash when you upset a milkjug should give you a correct account of how the jug was made and why it was upset.’
C.S. Lewis
"God is in the rain."~Evey in V for Vendetta
"Strength is born in the deep silence of long suffering hearts; not amid joy." Felicia Hemans
"The unexamined life is not worth living". ~Socrates
i hated it when God insisted i "yawp!"
but He knew i must,
and that my life would not begin,
until i yawped.
We all must learn to yawp.
we MUST awaken the passion,
that part of us that feels intensely,
and is NOT afraid to say so
or to express it.
Otherwise we are just dead men walking.
my journal/blog:
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I only meant that they are not necessarily the same thing. 
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