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17th August 2009, 12:43 AM
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For those of us who believe that grace can be resisted and a person simply needs to choose salvation after being wooed (drawn) by HS after a proper understanding of the Gospel, a query: During the "wooing" period, when the person is in a position to choose or reject eternal life, is this person dead or alive spiritually?
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20th August 2009, 09:29 PM
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21st August 2009, 12:26 AM
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29th September 2009, 12:40 PM
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Reps: 727,432,821,147,579,648 (power: 727,432,821,147,586) | | Originally Posted by desmalia  As a fundie I reject the idea of resistible grace. Regeneration is by God's grace alone. And until He regenerates us we cannot be free to accept His calling.
Um, that position would be a Calvinist one, not a Fundamentalist one - at least by the definition given here.
I agree with everything on that SoF, but don't really claim the name Fundamentalist. FWIW, I hold a position that regeneration is by God's grace alone, yet that grace is resistible. IOW, we cannot choose to be saved, but we can choose to fall away.
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29th September 2009, 08:47 PM
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Where in the Fund. SOF do you see that? I have to admit to a certain logic in the Calvinist thinking of grace and regeneration. The only question is whether that logic is biblical or not.
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30th September 2009, 11:25 AM
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Reps: 154,244,349,522,329,856 (power: 154,244,349,522,340) | | Originally Posted by CantateDomino Um, that position would be a Calvinist one, not a Fundamentalist one - at least by the definition given here.
I am a Fundie and I gave my answer. I am also a Calvinist. 
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30th September 2009, 03:25 PM
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Reps: 3,394,007,686,969,080 (power: 3,394,007,686,977) | | Originally Posted by CantateDomino Um, that position would be a Calvinist one, not a Fundamentalist one - at least by the definition given here. Indeed brother...one may be a Fundamentalist and a Calvinist at the same time. I certainly am. |
1st October 2009, 04:28 PM
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Reps: 727,432,821,147,579,648 (power: 727,432,821,147,586) | | Originally Posted by jlujan69 Where in the Fund. SOF do you see that?
That's my point exactly. It's not there.
@ Bro Tim, I never denied your dual nature as a Calvinist and a Fundamentalist.  I only meant that they are not necessarily the same thing.
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1st October 2009, 04:29 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,908) | | Originally Posted by ChristAlive69 judging by the fundamentalist way of thinking they'd be dead until they accept God totally surely?
Hey, you beat me to it. 
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It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran |
1st October 2009, 04:31 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,908) | | Originally Posted by jlujan69 For those of us who believe that grace can be resisted and a person simply needs to choose salvation after being wooed (drawn) by HS after a proper understanding of the Gospel, a query: During the "wooing" period, when the person is in a position to choose or reject eternal life, is this person dead or alive spiritually?
This person is dead until the LIFE of CHRIST is in him.
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~1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 posted by ViaCrucis:
It's not even "too much Old Testament", in the Old Testament God is compassionate, shows mercy, is patient and long-suffering. Consider the lesson we learn from Jonah, or the word delivered to Ezekiel that God does not desire the death of the wicked, that God takes no pleasure or joy in the destruction of the wicked by desires that that the wicked repent and change their ways so they might live and have life. God has always been a merciful, compassionate, kind and patient God who has no desire for the destruction of the wicked, who has loving-kindness for the sinner and for the wicked person to change their ways and truly live and have life. -CryptoLutheran | | |
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