The women accused of witchcraft, their treatment at the hands of men, and the rationales used by those men,
indicate that the oppression of witches was symbolic of
the oppression of women in general, of women's
sexuality, and of sexuality in general
...It should not be surprising that just about every torture victim eventually confessed.
When people are tortured, and especially when the torture involves sexual abuse, it doesn't take long for the victim's world to become reduced to nothing but the pain and a desire for the pain to end.
...There is no shared authority between the genders in traditional Christianity, either in the church or in the home. Homosexuality would be particularly threatening to this ideology, as it raises the potential of redefining gender roles, especially in the home.
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If they followed Jesus' example, that would've never happened.
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I think it's interesting how women are always temptresses and what not, but men can do no wrong. It's always women, who need to dress more modestly. We men couldn't possibly succumb to arousal, we're to good for that! I think Christianity as a long history of discrimination against women and unjust disdain for sex. Is it because sex opens the possibility or intimacy that makes it so frightening?
__________________ -"We build everything in straight lines and rectangles and so on...whenever you see this sort of thing you know humans have been around because they're always trying to straighten things out. But nature itself is clouds, there's water, there's mountains, the outlines of continents, there's biological existences and all of them wiggle. And wiggly things...are to human consciousness a little bit of a nuisance, because we wanna figure it out." -"we operate on the assumption that clients have no idea what they are doing or talking about" -"Theosis is communion – the shared life of a never-ending community of deification where none resurrects alone."
I think it's interesting how women are always temptresses and what not, but men can do no wrong. It's always women, who need to dress more modestly. We men couldn't possibly succumb to arousal, we're to good for that! I think Christianity as a long history of discrimination against women and unjust disdain for sex. Is it because sex opens the possibility or intimacy that makes it so frightening?
The Bible constantly talks about the evilness of men. It's because the Bible indicts men as evil, that women are encouraged to dress modestly...not because women are "more evil" or anything.
The Bible has no problem with sex, just against sex outside of marriage between a man and woman.
__________________ Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is praise worthy--think of these things.
Keep in mind that when Saint Paul says that the man is "head" of the woman and the family he goes on to say that it is in the same way that Christ is head of the Church, which is to say: prepared to die for it, indeed not to die for its virtues but its vilest vices.
Not exactly what the average husband has in mind. It's a lot more fun to bark orders and complain about leftovers for supper than to be a martyr. As with so much of Christianity, the problem isn't the rule. The problem is that nobody obeys it!
Whatever the case in "traditional" Christianity, two of the four churches in my small town are pastored by women. Before we moved here from a Twin Cities suburb, we attended one pastored by a woman, whose district superintendent was a woman, whose bishop was a woman. Yes, there are still denominations where women cannot hold a pulpit but - just as in the home - it is usually women who do the work (and thus get authority, even if there's no title with it) that keep a church open.
Misogyny? Sure, you can still find it; just as you can racism and any other bigotry. They were sins then, they are sins now.
All the medical breakthroughs about how a woman's body functions are extremely recent. Very little has been known about the female body until now, but because we've known so little about it for so long, women's sexuality is still basically taboo. Women ARE sexual beings, just like men.
Masturbation and lust is a hot topic among Christian men. Not so much among Christian women. But guess what, it's still a problem, there's a lot of women who truly struggle with it, yet they get zero support because it's such a hushed topic. None of them will speak up because they are afraid to. It's not supposed to be problem women face, it's supposed to be something guy's struggle with.
Ready for another shocker? Porn. Yes, a surprising number of women also struggle with porn.
I was talking to somebody on CF, a guy, who was surprised to learn that women have sex drives, and some women have high sex drives. What more can I say?
IMO, it's about time we end the ignorance.
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~Robert Webber in "Ancient Future Worship"
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What do you think of this article? Do you think that this kind of misogyny continues even today in some form or another? What do you get out of the article?
It reminds me that we're just now getting out of the time when rape was more publicized, where some felt some of the women were partly at fault because of where they were, how they dressed, who they dated in the past, etc. When people started admitting to being raped and coming out to accuse their attackers, it was sad to see many dragged through the witness stand as a [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] who may have secretly wanted it.
Because that happened - and I STILL see some of it today - nope, we haven't come that far. That's what I take from the article.
Of course, it seems that with working households and when children go out of control, we also tend to blame the mother more than the father for working out of the house.
I'm not sure where so much hatred toward women came from, I'm guessing being threatened? Not being sarcastic here.
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I think in the west, women are treated much better than they were by the church in the middle ages. So progress has been made. That said, I don't think either men or women have it all figured out yet.
I think it's interesting how women are always temptresses and what not, but men can do no wrong. It's always women, who need to dress more modestly. We men couldn't possibly succumb to arousal, we're to good for that! I think Christianity as a long history of discrimination against women and unjust disdain for sex. Is it because sex opens the possibility or intimacy that makes it so frightening?
Yall seem to be a little confused about the place of women in Christendom. Why not address the Christ-honoring role that women have been appointed.
As long as sin exists in this world, there will be feminists and feminist sympathizers who express disdain for God's order.
So many feminists just want the status and power over men that they believe men have over them.
God's order is that the woman be the helpmate. That doesn't make her any less important. She just has a different role.
When people started admitting to being raped and coming out to accuse their attackers, it was sad to see many dragged through the witness stand as a [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] who may have secretly wanted it.
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