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16th August 2009, 12:03 PM
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Reps: 18,889,155,825,852,136 (power: 18,889,155,825,864) | | Originally Posted by juvenissun  They looked their own body and compare it with other animals. This is what happened.
They forgot, and insist to forget that they also have something called mind.
What a pity.
Every evolutionary creationist I know acknowledges the human mind. We just don't acknowledge that its existence somehow refutes the evolution of humans from apes.
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16th August 2009, 01:14 PM
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I became a TE because i was never taught everything in the Bible had to be literal. Both my parents are actually Ph.Ds in philosophy, so i had a very strange childhood when it comes to things like critical thinking and religion. (Philosophy of religion is one of their specialties.) I was also a big science kid.
When I first ran into the idea, I, being a child at the time, asked my parents. This is what they replied, broken down of course.
1. Nowhere does the Bible say it must be taken literally.
2. Nowhere does the Bible say it was given word for word and must be historically true.
3. God created the earth JUST AS MUCH as God inspired the Bible.
4. Therefore the earth is the Work of God just as much as the Bible is the Word of God.
5. Therefore God's Work and God's Word will line up.
6. Therefore if an interpretation of God's Word contradicts God's Work, that interpretation must be wrong.
(I was fairly good at basic logic at like 8, and they broke that down to basic if-then statements for me.)
It just seems to be a lot of YECs tend to forget 3 and 4. God created the heavens and the earth. Denying what is evident in them is disrespectful to God. After all, He created it for us, didn't He? It doesn't matter HOW He did it, Genesis 1:1. He did it.
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16th August 2009, 01:48 PM
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Reps: 56,048,296,120,276,176 (power: 56,048,296,120,282) | | Originally Posted by metherion I just realized I jumped right into debating instead of answering the OP first. Silly me.
I became a TE because i was never taught everything in the Bible had to be literal. Both my parents are actually Ph.Ds in philosophy, so i had a very strange childhood when it comes to things like critical thinking and religion. (Philosophy of religion is one of their specialties.) I was also a big science kid.
When I first ran into the idea, I, being a child at the time, asked my parents. This is what they replied, broken down of course.
1. Nowhere does the Bible say it must be taken literally.
2. Nowhere does the Bible say it was given word for word and must be historically true.
3. God created the earth JUST AS MUCH as God inspired the Bible.
4. Therefore the earth is the Work of God just as much as the Bible is the Word of God.
5. Therefore God's Work and God's Word will line up.
6. Therefore if an interpretation of God's Word contradicts God's Work, that interpretation must be wrong.
(I was fairly good at basic logic at like 8, and they broke that down to basic if-then statements for me.)
It just seems to be a lot of YECs tend to forget 3 and 4. God created the heavens and the earth. Denying what is evident in them is disrespectful to God. After all, He created it for us, didn't He? It doesn't matter HOW He did it, Genesis 1:1. He did it.
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1. Nowhere does the Bible say it must be taken literally.
2. Nowhere does the Bible say it was given word for word and must be historically true.
3. God created the earth JUST AS MUCH as God inspired the Bible.
4. Therefore the earth is the Work of God just as much as the Bible is the Word of God.
5. Therefore God's Work and God's Word will line up.
6. Therefore if an interpretation of God's Word contradicts God's Work, that interpretation must be wrong. |
16th August 2009, 02:25 PM
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Reps: 44,404,246,110,554,912 (power: 44,404,246,110,568) | | Originally Posted by Mallon Every evolutionary creationist I know acknowledges the human mind. We just don't acknowledge that its existence somehow refutes the evolution of humans from apes.
That is what I am saying. Every "evolutionary creationist" is deliberately blind on the"evolution" of intelligence, because there is no evidence for it. That is why they think they are apes. |
16th August 2009, 02:34 PM
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Reps: 44,404,246,110,554,912 (power: 44,404,246,110,568) | | Originally Posted by Willtor You made up that we forget that we have minds. I don't recall any evolutionist (theistic or otherwise) saying that. On the contrary, it's a big point of contention and study. Certainly for me, it's a topic to which I give a lot of thought and reflection.
I don't know whether you really believe what you are saying about us, but you are wrong. It is not true. After quoting Sun Tzu regarding understanding one's enemy (though, I don't know why we seem to be your enemies) I would think you would be more aware.
I can't parse this.
When you insist evolution, you are not thinking.
When you think, you deny evolution.
You can not have both. That is what TE dreaming about. |
16th August 2009, 03:09 PM
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Reps: 56,048,296,120,276,176 (power: 56,048,296,120,282) | | Originally Posted by juvenissun When you insist evolution, you are not thinking.
When you think, you deny evolution.
You can not have both. That is what TE dreaming about.
I'm thinking and not denying evolution.
Post proven wrong.
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1. Nowhere does the Bible say it must be taken literally.
2. Nowhere does the Bible say it was given word for word and must be historically true.
3. God created the earth JUST AS MUCH as God inspired the Bible.
4. Therefore the earth is the Work of God just as much as the Bible is the Word of God.
5. Therefore God's Work and God's Word will line up.
6. Therefore if an interpretation of God's Word contradicts God's Work, that interpretation must be wrong. |
16th August 2009, 03:11 PM
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Reps: 63,932,760,995,062,528 (power: 63,932,760,995,076) | | Originally Posted by juvenissun When you insist evolution, you are not thinking.
When you think, you deny evolution.
You can not have both. That is what TE dreaming about.
If that helps you get through the day...
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16th August 2009, 03:15 PM
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Reps: 47,522,675,293,666,344 (power: 47,522,675,293,686) | | Originally Posted by juvenissun According to creationism, the thing God created on the first DAY is the _______.
Do you think it is an example of sloppy pseudo science? Hey, wake up and learn.
Get as snarky as you like
It doesnt change the fact that the evidence does not support a 6 thousand year old earth
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16th August 2009, 03:35 PM
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Reps: 458,358,390,381,383 (power: 458,358,390,387) | | Originally Posted by PT Calvinist Ah...This same logic is why most Atheists are Atheists...
This logic is also why we no longer think the world is flat, that we no longer bleed people to cure them, and what all of our modern technologies are based upon.
You find overwhelming evidence for something you don't stick your head in the ground and hide from it, you take it and re-evaluate your stance. Evolution in no way removes God, it simply explains how God created us. A much more elegant explanation than special creation (he poofed it).
@WingsofEagles:
I'm guessing since you are challenging evolutionists (which coincidentally make up just about all reputable scientists in any related fields) to give proof of the first life and how it happened I am assuming you have proof of how special creation happened?
So where's your recorded and observed example of an entire lifeform poofing into existence to support the possibility that God just spontaneously made us. Or where's your observed example of God creating something in front of your eyes?
When you have that then you can use that against evolutionists, until then your attacks only show your own weakness.  |
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Reps: 458,358,390,381,383 (power: 458,358,390,387) | | Originally Posted by juvenissun When you insist evolution, you are not thinking.
When you think, you deny evolution.
You can not have both. That is what TE dreaming about.
You do realize that evolution is overwhelmingly accepted by the mass majority of scientists, ridiculously so for those in fields related to biology.
So apparently those, the people who are currently making all of the discoveries and progress in science, aren't thinking when they apply the theory of evolution to their every day work and it works?
I would suggest you step back and think a bit yourself.
There are those like Francis Collins. He is a Christian and one of the leading geneticists in the world. He was the Director of the Human Genome project. Apparently he could think well enough to successfully guide the mapping of the entire human genome but not when it comes to his application of evolution in his career? I don't buy it 
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