How much of Matthew 24 is fulfilled

LittleLambofJesus · #1 11th August 2009, 02:43 PM

I didn't want to put this on the Eschatology board as there is not many posting over there.

The question I want to ask those Christian here on CF is how much of Matthew 24 and the Olivet Discourse do you view a fulfilled.

I hope I gave the right options and I am really hoping to get some input on others here on it. Thank you and God bless

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Tyndale · #2 12th August 2009, 11:46 AM

Using strongs for definition of the greek words.

In vs 3 "aion" is used for 'world', describing the Jewish messianic age.

In vs 14 "oikoumene" is used for 'world', describing land/dwelling, the Roman Empire.

In vs 21 "kosmos" is used for 'world', describing the great tribulation which has never been experienced before or will ever be again.

In vs 37 the coming of God is compared to the days of Noah, including the giving of marriage.

Maybe the different words for 'world' don't add up to anything significant, but why were they used?

The evil servant who thinks he knows when Christ will come is interesting though. Jesus says in vs 50 "The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of". Now, if this day has come and past, what does it mean for the rest of us? Can we be safe in the hope that we don't have to look forward to Christ return? Can we be safe in knowing we are like the 5 wise virgins in the following chapter and not like the 5 foolish ones?

Matt 25: 13"Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh"

Gary51 · #3 13th August 2009, 07:35 AM

I would have thought this thread was worthy of some debate.

I voted none.

tansy · #4 13th August 2009, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by Tyndale

Using strongs for definition of the greek words.

Maybe the different words for 'world' don't add up to anything significant, but why were they used?

The evil servant who thinks he knows when Christ will come is interesting though. Jesus says in vs 50 "The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of". Now, if this day has come and past, what does it mean for the rest of us? Can we be safe in the hope that we don't have to look forward to Christ return? Can we be safe in knowing we are like the 5 wise virgins in the following chapter and not like the 5 foolish ones?

Matt 25: 13"Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh"

That'sreally interesting - I hadnt realised those words were translated differently...I'll have to think about that. It can really make one's understanding of a passage clearer (sometimes at any rate LOL)

JohnDB · #5 13th August 2009, 08:02 AM

as with many prophesies many things can be taken (and should be) more than one way.

When Jesus said the part about "this generation"...it also could be understood as this race (which would include their religion) shall not ever perish in front of him.

In other words the Jews will be here till the end of the earth...complete with their practice of Judaism. These people are left as to a testimony to what has happened and the supremacy of what God says. Several times the Jews have been forced to either convert of face extermination. They haven't done either.

So...IMHO...if the Jews seem to disapear or no longer are practicing Judaism..at all...we are all outta here. The end of the earth is at hand.

LittleLambofJesus · #6 21st August 2009, 09:56 PM

Any other views? I would like to hear from some RCs if possible. Thanks

[I myself believe all of Matt 24 and Daniel are fulfilled]

LittleLambofJesus · #7 22nd August 2009, 07:20 PM

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Gary51 · #8 23rd August 2009, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

[I myself believe all of Matt 24 and Daniel are fulfilled]

Can you explain why?

ToxicReboMan · #9 23rd August 2009, 11:21 PM

Great question!

I would have voted "mostly/partially fulfilled' but I instead voted "other". The reason being is that I think it would have been better to separate "mostly fulfilled" and "partially fulfilled" into separate choices. As I would have then voted "partially".

At the moment, my view on this topic is that only the beginning segment of Matt 24 could possibly already be fulfilled. And that doesn't mean that it necessarily has been fulfilled but I view it as highly possible. I am talking about the false messiahs, wars and rumors of wars, famines, and earthquakes which Christ spoke about. Considering that Jesus said that these were only the beginning of the birth pains and that more would come, it is possible that all the terrible things we see happening in our world could become much worse if these prophecies at the beginning of Matt 24 are yet to be fulfilled.

As for the rest of Matt 24:

Have all the nations heard about the Good News about the Kingdom?

According to verse 14 this has to happen first and then the end will come. I'm not sure that this has been completely fulfilled. North Korea, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan are a few nations that come to mind. As I understand it is illegal to preach the Gospel in those countries. So perhaps not every corner of the earth has been able to hear the Good News.

A couple of other reasons on why I view much of Matt 24 as not yet fulfilled:

a) The sun hasn't been darkened. The moon still gives us light at night. The stars have not fallen from the sky. The powers of heaven have not been shaken.

b) Jesus Christ has not yet appeared in the heavens.

I don't claim to know. This is just my current understanding. I would like to understand the reasoning behind your position however. There seems to be plenty of verses in Matt 24 which appear to be still unfulfilled. What is your understanding on these verses?

Gary51 · #10 24th August 2009, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

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Shameless second request!

Can you explain why you believe that Matt 24 is fulfilled?