How much of Matthew 24 is fulfilled

Gary51 · #21 25th August 2009, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Me neither

I am hoping we can get more votes in. I will be happy with at least 50 total.

If you get another vote for option 1, that would be a surprise!

Blackmarch · #22 25th August 2009, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

I didn't want to put this on the Eschatology board as there is not many posting over there.

The question I want to ask those Christian here on CF is how much of Matthew 24 and the Olivet Discourse do you view a fulfilled.

I hope I gave the right options and I am really hoping to get some input on others here on it. Thank you and God bless

Matthew 24:3 Of sitting yet of Him upon the Mount of the Olives toward-came to Him the Disciples according to own saying "be telling to us when? shall these-things be and what? the Sign of the Thy ParousiaV <3952> and the together-finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age" [Daniel 12/Revelation 15:1]

good question

Originally Posted by KJV Bible

1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

this has happened.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

this has happened and continues to happen.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

this is happening much, much more htan it has in the past.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

this has happened and quite possible may happen again.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

this is happening... and he's talking about the church here.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

this has happened (and will happen again)

[quote] 12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. [quote]
this is quite evident today

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

this has not happened yet, but we are in the process of bringing it about.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

I don't think this has happened.... but, there have been a few instances in history that this could be reffering to.

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

the main reason I say so because things like this have happened.

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

I don't believe the event this is referring to has happened yet.. but there have been events which have been similar to this.

23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

this has happened

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

this has happened and will likely happen again

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

this has happaned, and will likely happen again

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in bheaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

this has not happened yet

[quote] 37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, [quote] this is in the process of happening.

A lot of it has been fulfilled or quite likely has been fulfilled.
some is in the process of being fullfilled.
and a little is left to yet be fulfilled.

LittleLambofJesus · #23 25th August 2009, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Gary51

If you get another vote for option 1, that would be a surprise!

If the Olivet Discourse and Revelation are the same event, then what is left to fulfill if the Parousia of Jesus already happened as shown in Revelation 15/16/19?

Btw, I could use some more input here.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7276015-2/
Olivet Discourse and Revelation Same Event?

Luke 21:7 They inquire yet of Him saying "Teacher! when then these shall be and what the Sign whenever may be being about these to be becoming/ginesqai <1096> (5738).

Reve 16:17 and the seventh Messenger pours out the bowl of him into the air and came out Voice great from the sanctuary of-the heaven from the throne saying "it has become"/gegonen <1096> (5754). [Reve 21:6]

B1inHim · #24 25th August 2009, 04:03 PM

WOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo WHOOOOooooo i guessed right...LOL

There are things that are in place and others that will happen soon...
keep up the GOD work

LittleLambofJesus · #25 25th August 2009, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by B1inHim

WOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo WHOOOOooooo i guessed right...LOL

There are things that are in place and others that will happen soon...
keep up the GOD work

Luke 21:31 "Thus also ye whenever ye may be seeing these these becoming, ye are knowing that NIGH/egguV <1451> is the Kingdom of the God."

Reve 1:3 Happy the one reading and the ones hearing the Words of the Prophecy and keepings in it having been Written for the Time NIGH/egguV <1451>. [Reve 22:6,10]

Blackmarch · #26 26th August 2009, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

If the Olivet Discourse and Revelation are the same event, then what is left to fulfill if the Parousia of Jesus already happened as shown in Revelation 15/16/19?

Btw, I could use some more input here.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7276015-2/
Olivet Discourse and Revelation Same Event?

Luke 21:7 They inquire yet of Him saying "Teacher! when then these shall be and what the Sign whenever may be being about these to be becoming/ginesqai <1096> (5738).

Reve 16:17 and the seventh Messenger pours out the bowl of him into the air and came out Voice great from the sanctuary of-the heaven from the throne saying "it has become"/gegonen <1096> (5754). [Reve 21:6]

I don't think revelations 15 has much relation to the discourse... other than a reference to plagues and that there will be plagues in the tribulation or just before the tribulation. However if I recall right, I believe the angels represent or are in charge of different eras/generations- so it's quite possibly referring to more than just the tribulation times.

In revelation 16 the first half is very symbolic and I can't easily tell if it is just dealing with the last days, but the last half certainly seems to.

Revelation 17 is dealing with recent history to a point that seems to be near the tribulation, at least events that musst occur before Christ comes.

LittleLambofJesus · #27 26th August 2009, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by Blackmarch

I don't think revelations 15 has much relation to the discourse... other than a reference to plagues and that there will be plagues in the tribulation or just before the tribulation. However if I recall right, I believe the angels represent or are in charge of different eras/generations- so it's quite possibly referring to more than just the tribulation times.

In revelation 16 the first half is very symbolic and I can't easily tell if it is just dealing with the last days, but the last half certainly seems to.

Revelation 17 is dealing with recent history to a point that seems to be near the tribulation, at least events that musst occur before Christ comes.

Greetings and thank you for both voting and giving the Mormon view.

Since you voted as viewing Matt 24 as been partially fulfilled, how much of it do you view as fulfilled?

That is really what I am interested in hearing from others right now and I may make another poll on how much of Revelation Christians here view as fulfilled and future. Thanks