The Nazis (National Socialist Workers Party) really took a dislike to a lot of people despite their reiligious beliefs. As many may know the Witnesses were interned in their thousands. But a story that's not often told is the one about the thousands of Polish Catholic priests put into concentration camps. They were put there not because they were Catholic, but because they were Poles, of Slavic stock, and then to Nazi ideology they were sub-human and only worthy of elimination.
I think why people just hate each other to such a degree is the one thing that will always puzzle many. Those who take on board the fruitages of God's holy spirit, and then try to remain without any taint from the world, will be better suited to coping when things are aimed at them to cause upset and division.
So JW's don't have any of the problems other churchs have? Like gossip? JWs never gossip right, cause they are free from the taint of the world cause they don't cellebrate christmas right?
Romans 1.29-32
They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
So which is worse celebrating Christmas or gossiping?
the site says gossip is rampant amongst JW's..
__________________ God is a spirit (jn 4:24)........... God is not a man...(Nu 23:19) A spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me (Jesus) have (Lu 24:39).....the man Christ Jesus 1 ti 2:5
Last edited by 2ducklow; 19th November 2009 at 09:05 PM.
So JW's don't have any of the problems other churchs have? Like gossip? JWs never gossip right, cause they are free from the taint of the world cause they don't cellebrate christmas right?
Romans 1.29-32
They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
So which is worse celebrating Christmas or gossiping?
the site says gossip is rampant amongst JW's..
2DL don't you know that is a "propaganda" website full of "disgruntled apostate witnesses" "attacking" and "spreading propaganda" about the society because they were terrible sinners, would not repent, and so they were disfellowshipped. All faithful WTBTS servants know this although everything about the DF process is confidential.
__________________
Der Über Älter
Last edited by Der Alter; 20th November 2009 at 09:52 AM.
So JW's don't have any of the problems other churchs have?
Absolutely they do.
Like gossip? Yes
JWs never gossip right, cause they are free from the taint of the world cause they don't cellebrate christmas right?
No they are not free from taint. Just because they preach what doesn't please Jehovah doesn't mean they do not sin themselves or make mistakes.
So which is worse celebrating Christmas or gossiping?
the site says gossip is rampant amongst JW's..
Some JW's stuggle with one more than the other, but neither is worse nor better.
Originally Posted by Der Alter
All faithful WTBTS know this although everything about the DF process is confidential.
Maybe it's confidential because it's no one's business and out of respect for the one being disfellowshipped they keep it that way. On the other hand, JW's not being perfect and all, I'm sure there is at least one JW who has opened their big fat mouth, yes?
So JW's don't have any of the problems other churchs have?
Absolutely they do.
Like gossip? Yes
JWs never gossip right, cause they are free from the taint of the world cause they don't cellebrate christmas right?
No they are not free from taint. Just because they preach what doesn't please Jehovah doesn't mean they do not sin themselves or make mistakes.
So which is worse celebrating Christmas or gossiping?
the site says gossip is rampant amongst JW's..
Some JW's stuggle with one more than the other, but neither is worse nor better.
So what you're saying is the web site I posted is wrong in claiming that gossip is rampant amongst JW's, right?
And you're saying murder , or adultry, or fornication, or lieing, or bearing false witnesses or gossping are all no better or worse than celebrating chirsitmas, right?
JW's don't preach anything displeasing to God , according to you, but all other churches do , right? because of your interpretations of scriptures that result in a condemnation of christmas, war, birthday parties, which most other churches do not condemn, therefore god is pleased with JW"s but not with the rest of christendom is what you're saying. So that would mean that all us other christians have to interpret the bible the same way JW/s do in order to be pleasing to god. Whcih would mean that no one ever pleased god until the JW church came along in the late 1800's, not evern early day arians, because early day arians didn't believe exactly like modern day JW's do. Which would mean that believing in the bible and what God says isn't good enough to be pleasing to god, one has to go to kingdom hall and beleive everything kingdom hall says about the bible to be pleasing to god.
that's what I see your statements pointing to.
__________________ God is a spirit (jn 4:24)........... God is not a man...(Nu 23:19) A spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me (Jesus) have (Lu 24:39).....the man Christ Jesus 1 ti 2:5
2DL don't you know that is a "propaganda" website full of "disgruntled apostate witnesses" "attacking" and "spreading propaganda" about the society because they were terrible sinners, would not repent, and so they were disfellowshipped. All faithful WTBTS servants know this although everything about the DF process is confidential.
Maybe it's confidential because it's no one's business and out of respect for the one being disfellowshipped they keep it that way. On the other hand, JW's not being perfect and all, I'm sure there is at least one JW who has opened their big fat mouth, yes?
You missed the point, but that is to be expected. 2DL linked to an ex-JW website where former witnesses were talking about their experiences which made them leave the society. You can see my reply, above. I have seen responses like that more than once. Although the DF process is supposed to be confidential whenever a former witnesses mentions anything unfavorable about the society the usual patellar reflex response is "That is a 'propaganda' website full of 'disgruntled apostate witnesses,' 'attacking' and 'spreading propaganda' about the society because they were terrible sinners, would not repent, and so they were disfellowshipped." All faithful WTBTS servants somehow know this, although everything about the DF process is supposed to be confidential.
So what you're saying is the web site I posted is wrong in claiming that gossip is rampant amongst JW's, right?
Actually I didn't read the website. Gossip is everywhere.
And you're saying murder , or adultry, or fornication, or lieing, or bearing false witnesses or gossping are all no better or worse than celebrating chirsitmas, right?
In my opinion all are displeasing to Jehovah yes.
JW's don't preach anything displeasing to God , according to you, but all other churches do , right?
Never said this, please don't put words in my mouth. Yes the Witnesses have said things displeasing to God. They are not perfect. Many good men in the bible did things displeasing Jehovah. What makes the Witnesses any different?
because of your interpretations of scriptures that result in a condemnation of christmas, war, birthday parties, which most other churches do not condemn, therefore god is pleased with JW"s but not with the rest of christendom is what you're saying. So that would mean that all us other christians have to interpret the bible the same way JW/s do in order to be pleasing to god. Whcih would mean that no one ever pleased god until the JW church came along in the late 1800's, not evern early day arians, because early day arians didn't believe exactly like modern day JW's do. Which would mean that believing in the bible and what God says isn't good enough to be pleasing to god, one has to go to kingdom hall and beleive everything kingdom hall says about the bible to be pleasing to god.
that's what I see your statements pointing to.
No they are not pointing to that. I never claim they are perfect.
Jehovah wants to be worshipped in truth. That simple. If you feel that you are worshipping God in truth on Christmas day then so be it. If you feel like you can go to a birthday in good conscience then do as you like, I'd rather do my best to just avoid the whole situation all together and know I am doing my best to please Jehovah.
You missed the point, but that is to be expected. 2DL linked to an ex-JW website where former witnesses were talking about their experiences which made them leave the society. You can see my reply, above. I have seen responses like that more than once. Although the DF process is supposed to be confidential whenever a former witnesses mentions anything unfavorable about the society the usual patellar reflex response is "That is a 'propaganda' website full of 'disgruntled apostate witnesses,' 'attacking' and 'spreading propaganda' about the society because they were terrible sinners, would not repent, and so they were disfellowshipped." All faithful WTBTS servants somehow know this, although everything about the DF process is supposed to be confidential.
I'm sure there have been wrongful disfellowships. I'm sure there have been disfellowships that one's have claimed they not in the wrong, but really were. The reasons given above are probably in most cases true, but that doesn't mean it's in every case. Half the time it's never the full story anyway, it's just of the one who is being disfellowshipped.
Actually I didn't read the website. Gossip is everywhere.
my theory is that the more boreing a church service is the more likely the members will be gossips, because they need exicetement.
The problem JW's have is that after the service is over they can't have any fun still, cause they can't celebrate christmas, they can't celebrate bdays, no holidays, nothing, Only thing left toi them is gossip. Gossip is JW exicietement, it's their only outlet for excitement. Other churches only have to be dour during church services, JW's have to be dour 100 percent of the time, it's a big handicap for them.
Ezekiel 37:1-10 The hand of Jehovah was upon me, and he brought me out in the Spirit of Jehovah, and set me down in the midst of the valley; and it was full of bones.(all the modern day churches) And he caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord Jehovah, thou knowest. Again he said unto me, Prophesy over these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of Jehovah. Thus saith the Lord Jehovah unto these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am Jehovah. So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and, behold, an earthquake; and the bones came together, bone to its bone(this speaks of the unity that will come upon those dry bones or chuch memebers when they accept the life giving breath from the Lord.). And I beheld, and, lo, there were sinews upon them, and flesh came up, and skin covered them above; but there was no breath in them. Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.(the great army is the unified body of believers from all churches that are revived by YHWH.)
when God revives his people, then they want need gossip for excietment and the big lure of gossip will be gone.
Originally Posted by proscrastin8nturtle
Jehovah wants to be worshipped in truth. That simple. If you feel that you are worshipping God in truth on Christmas day then so be it. If you feel like you can go to a birthday in good conscience then do as you like, I'd rather do my best to just avoid the whole situation all together and know I am doing my best to please Jehovah.
uh the word means bow down or prostrate before it doesn't mean worship. Worship is a word invented to hide the true meaning of god's word which says to bow down or prostrate oneself before YHWH. Most all christians , includeing JW's do not bow down or prostrate themselves before YHWH. they have hiden the command so no one feels guilty about not doing it. thus you are in the same boat with other christians who celebrate christmas. both of you do it out of ignorance. You don't bow down to YHWH like the bible says cause they took it out of your bible so you don't know it, they celebrate christmas cause they are unaware of the connection to pagan symbols, or don't consider the pagan origins any big deal.
Originally Posted by procrastin8turtle
In my opinion all are displeasing to Jehovah yes.
JW's don't preach anything displeasing to God , according to you, but all other churches do , right?
Never said this, please don't put words in my mouth. Yes the Witnesses have said things displeasing to God. They are not perfect. Many good men in the bible did things displeasing Jehovah. What makes the Witnesses any different?
I asked a question if that is what you meant, I didn't say you said that.
then what makes other christians any different. They don't celebrate christmas with the knowledge that they are doing anything wrong, and according to you everyone messes up and isn't perfect.. Of course, you're not a full fledged JW, just a vistor or something right?
__________________ God is a spirit (jn 4:24)........... God is not a man...(Nu 23:19) A spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me (Jesus) have (Lu 24:39).....the man Christ Jesus 1 ti 2:5
Last edited by 2ducklow; 21st November 2009 at 11:38 AM.
I'm sure there have been wrongful disfellowships. I'm sure there have been disfellowships that one's have claimed they not in the wrong, but really were. The reasons given above are probably in most cases true, but that doesn't mean it's in every case. Half the time it's never the full story anyway, it's just of the one who is being disfellowshipped.
For example, I won't give the individual's name for his sake, but there's a certain person I've met who goes to meetings from time to time, but is disfellowshipped. He also doesn't have a car, and I saw him walking one day, so I picked him up and drove him where he needed to go, and we talked. He was pretty upset because he had been disfellowshipped, but was really trying to lay off the drugs and clean himself up, but he felt he had been wrongly disfellowshipped.
However, from his actions and speech patterns, it was pretty clear he was on something at the time, and he admitted he didn't really remember much of the meeting when he was disfellowshipped, because he was high at the time. (He said what it was too... it was one of the harder drugs, I don't recall which one... I believe it was meth)
I still see him come once every few weeks... and I think he's honestly trying to be an otherwise good person, but it certainly doesn't look like he's giving up the drugs.
... For a person to be disfellowshipped, they not only have to be doing something harmful... but only the ones who are unrepentant are disfellowshipped. Of course someone who feels no remorse for what they've done will claim they were wrongly disfellowshipped.
For example, I won't give the individual's name for his sake, but there's a certain person I've met who goes to meetings from time to time, but is disfellowshipped. He also doesn't have a car, and I saw him walking one day, so I picked him up and drove him where he needed to go, and we talked. He was pretty upset because he had been disfellowshipped, but was really trying to lay off the drugs and clean himself up, but he felt he had been wrongly disfellowshipped.
However, from his actions and speech patterns, it was pretty clear he was on something at the time, and he admitted he didn't really remember much of the meeting when he was disfellowshipped, because he was high at the time. (He said what it was too... it was one of the harder drugs, I don't recall which one... I believe it was meth)
I still see him come once every few weeks... and I think he's honestly trying to be an otherwise good person, but it certainly doesn't look like he's giving up the drugs.
... For a person to be disfellowshipped, they not only have to be doing something harmful... but only the ones who are unrepentant are disfellowshipped. Of course someone who feels no remorse for what they've done will claim they were wrongly disfellowshipped.
Not everyone who is DF is a drug addict. In fact, not everyone who is an ex-Witnesses was DF, many left of their own accord. Read the link above and check out their reasons.
Linear Mode
