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8th August 2009, 11:31 PM
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Reps: 2,160,465,330,633 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET  You mean a fossil from the Cretaceous Age, don't you?
Yes, from 2348BC. How old are the atoms making up that fossil?
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They hail from 4004BC, apparently. Although there is a problem with this. If the cretaceous period was in 2348BC, and everything began in 4004BC, then the scale from what scientists say things should be between the createous to now is less compressed than the scale from what scientists say from the beginning of the universe to 2348BC.
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9th August 2009, 05:55 AM
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Reps: 241,692,970,520,611 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET It would be 14 days ago existentially, not 14 days ago physically.
Okay, we finally have something to work with. So, if 14 existential days is equal to 4,358 physical years then, due to AV's imagined flaws in radiometric dating, the age of the Earth at ~6,000 existential years is actually [6,000 * 365.25 / 14 * 4,358] physical years. That means, according to AV’s nonsense, the Earth is only around 682 million physical years old. However, that same radiometric dating shows that the Earth is almost 4 billion years older than that.
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9th August 2009, 01:08 PM
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Reps: 21,130,497,817,639,480 (power: 21,130,497,817,648) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET So we can have something with 'two ages', right?
Wrong. You are not dating the atoms in radioisotope dating. You are dating the last time rock was molten. So rock doesn't have two different ages, we are simply dating the last time it was in lava/magma form.
As stated before, argon is a gas. When rock is molten, this gas escapes and "resets" the clock.
Your word games won't work.
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9th August 2009, 01:49 PM
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not really. most of them would have been formed in a star from nuclear fusion much more recently than that. |
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Reps: 110,182,959,778,071,968 (power: 0) | | | ok then the age of components of the atoms? the electrons and so on.... we are gonna end up with THREE different ages for poor AV. |
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Reps: 2,303,137,087,325,443 (power: 2,303,137,087,330) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET So we can have something with 'two ages', right? Actually, we can have something with many ages. Here are but a few. We have the age of the atom, the age that the parent molecule was formed in the first sun it was in, the age of the present molecule was formed in the last sun that blasted apart, the age when the molecule was gravitationally attracted to the planed we call earth, the various ages that the same molecule was circulated through the erosion processes to end back on dry earth to compact into the rock containing the fossil seen in the picture. .
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10th August 2009, 06:39 AM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by BananaSlug Wrong. You are not dating the atoms in radioisotope dating.
Correct --- you don't need to date them --- they are 13.7 billion years old. Originally Posted by BananaSlug You are dating the last time rock was molten.
Thus giving the rock its second age (or secondary age). Originally Posted by BananaSlug So rock doesn't have two different ages, we are simply dating the last time it was in lava/magma form.
Yes, it does have two different ages. You are dating the last time a 13.7 billion-year-old mass of atoms were in lava/molten form. Originally Posted by BananaSlug As stated before, argon is a gas. When rock is molten, this gas escapes and "resets" the clock.
No problem --- I'll take your word for it.
You can make a stopwatch, then start it ticking as soon as it is manufactured.
Two hours later, you can reset that clock back to zero and call it 'brand new', but the fact remains that the clock is two hours old. Originally Posted by BananaSlug Your word games won't work.
Believing it is word games only throws you and those who believe you off the trail of understanding what I'm saying --- and if something isn't working here, it's your explanation that isn't, not mine.
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10th August 2009, 06:45 AM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by LightSeaker Actually, we can have something with many ages. Here are but a few. We have the age of the atom, the age that the parent molecule was formed in the first sun it was in, the age of the present molecule was formed in the last sun that blasted apart, the age when the molecule was gravitationally attracted to the planed we call earth, the various ages that the same molecule was circulated through the erosion processes to end back on dry earth to compact into the rock containing the fossil seen in the picture.
Then let's simplify all this --- use the age of the energy that the mass came from, since the energy can be traced back to BB.
E = MC 2 --- the age of E will always remain the same --- the age of MC 2 can be reset many times?
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10th August 2009, 08:08 AM
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Reps: 63,995,668,486,750,328 (power: 63,995,668,486,770) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET You can make a stopwatch, then start it ticking as soon as it is manufactured.
Two hours later, you can reset that clock back to zero and call it 'brand new', but the fact remains that the clock is two hours old.
But that is not what all your "embedded age" statements say. According to your reasoning, you would manufacture the watch, set it immediately to two hours... and then say that the watch now IS two hours old.
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