A Statement of Faith for the Traditional Adventists Forum

FreeinChrist · #21 7th August 2009, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by OntheDL

Yes. I'm referring to the DD area.

I don't mind exchanging ideas and even debate with non-SDA members. But a few come here just to disagree. One even admitted in a recent post he got 'hit over the head' with too much Adventist doctrine in his past Adventist upbringing. He comes here just to exact some personal vendetta.

This forum has been quiet, almost dead for a long time. Many members left and won't return because of this kind of repeated fighting.

We should use this opportunity to address this problem.

That is a problem. IMHO, the statement that one cannot debate against the 28 Fundamentals Beliefs may not be enough.

It might be that "Debate" needs to be taken out of "Discussion and Debate". But then what would the area be for? Wat can be discussed?

I will say that I can see where there were times that one of 28 FB was debated against - note the bold:

18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

It would have helped to have those posts reported with the FB quoted as above.

DarylFawcett · #22 8th August 2009, 10:54 PM

Respectful discussion and/or debating is one thing, but disrespectful discussion and/or debating is a no, no and are the type that definitely should be reported.

DarylFawcett · #23 9th August 2009, 07:28 PM

Does this new wording take care of any/all concerns that was previously posted here?

House Rules:
All posts must adhere to the site wide rules found here. In addition, you may discuss and debate issues in Discussion and Debate, but you may not post against any of our 28 Fundamental Beliefs. You may post in fellowship in the Main Area.

OntheDL · #24 10th August 2009, 12:26 AM

There is no 'report' button at the end of each post.

Even there is a report button, I don't see the point of reporting if the inappropriate messages are staying and the offenders continue to post.

How is the new wording different from the previous one?

The old rules weren't the problem. The enforcement (the lack of) was. Please address that.

reddogs · #25 10th August 2009, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by FreeinChrist

That is a problem. IMHO, the statement that one cannot debate against the 28 Fundamentals Beliefs may not be enough.

It might be that "Debate" needs to be taken out of "Discussion and Debate". But then what would the area be for? Wat can be discussed?

I will say that I can see where there were times that one of 28 FB was debated against - note the bold:

It would have helped to have those posts reported with the FB quoted as above.

This is the heart of the issue, either we allow 'debate' with rules and enforcement, or its just 'discussion' which in my view makes it the same as the Main Trad forum. We have to decide this first, then make the rules accordingly.

DarylFawcett · #26 10th August 2009, 09:07 AM

The way the House Rules are presently worded, posts against any of the 28 FBs is not permitted, which allows for discussion and debating, but at the same time limits discussion and debating.

DarylFawcett · #27 10th August 2009, 09:08 AM

This is what the report a post icon looks like -->

which is the 2nd icon to the right of each post number.

reddogs · #28 10th August 2009, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by DarylFawcett

The way the House Rules are presently worded, posts against any of the 28 FBs is not permitted, which allows for discussion and debating, but at the same time limits discussion and debating.

Then members must understand they will be discussing and 'debating' with those of other faiths who may not necessarily agree with Adventist view and that is allowed. Now if they post directly against any of the 28 FBs, then it needs to be reported or brought to the attention of the mods if maybe its a newbie that needs to be reminded.

OntheDL · #29 10th August 2009, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by DarylFawcett

The way the House Rules are presently worded, posts against any of the 28 FBs is not permitted, which allows for discussion and debating, but at the same time limits discussion and debating.

I don't understand it.

It allows discussion and debate on 28 FBs, but does not allow posts against the 28 FBs.

That's ambiguous and contradictory.

How can you have a debate on the 28FBs by a non-SDA that's not against the 28 FBs.

OntheDL · #30 10th August 2009, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by FreeinChrist

That is a problem. IMHO, the statement that one cannot debate against the 28 Fundamentals Beliefs may not be enough.

It might be that "Debate" needs to be taken out of "Discussion and Debate". But then what would the area be for? Wat can be discussed?

I will say that I can see where there were times that one of 28 FB was debated against - note the bold:

18. The Gift of Prophecy:
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen. G. White . As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. (Joel 2:28, 29; Acts 2:14-21; Heb. 1:1-3; Rev. 12:17; 19:10.)

It would have helped to have those posts reported with the FB quoted as above.

Hi FIC,

When we study the history of Adventist movement, we see that the Adventist beliefs were not molded by Ellen White's writings. What grown men in the mid-1800s would listen to an uneducated teenage girl? Adventist beliefs came by exhaustive bible studies and earnest prayers. It's much later, after the doctrines had already been formed, Ellen White's testimonies confirmed what the Adventist pioneers came to understand.

I understand two people reading the same bible verse will have two different interpretations and I'm ok with that. However not everyone who comes here has the intention of asking honest questions. We have seen a few came just to disagree. That has led many to leave the forum.

I don't mind defending my faith and sharing it with others. I'm more zealous than most. But there is a place for them. CF has them: GT and denom-spec theology.

I just want to have some peace and exchange ideas and grow with like-minded believers, instead of being on the defensive and repeating the same things 100 times to the same few people.