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5th August 2009, 10:31 PM
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Reps: 44,404,246,110,554,912 (power: 44,404,246,110,568) | | Originally Posted by Willtor  This is surreal.
If, indeed, it is better to live in a cave or a tree-house, why don't you do it? Seriously. Go live there and let us know how much better your life is than it is now.
See, what you said is part of the problem.
I like to live in a cave (natural or not). But a livable cave should at least be built on a hilly area. Otherwise, flood will be a problem. If I made a cave house, it is likely that it will be a little far from "cities" and electricity and water supply could be in trouble. That is why people today seldom live in a cave. Now, do you think this "environmental" change, which drove people away from cave-dwelling is part of biological evolution?
Of course not. If not, why did it happen? |
5th August 2009, 10:52 PM
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Reps: 44,404,246,110,554,912 (power: 44,404,246,110,568) | | Originally Posted by Assyrian But first you have to dig out your cave, without metal shovels of course, and hope it doesn't collapse on you in the middle of the night, or you could domesticate beavers to cut down trees and trim them into planks to shore up the roof of the cave.
That is the problem with evolving Lothlórien too, you need planks to build a tree house, not to mention a hammer and nails. In the mean time, kids falling out of bed can be a big problem
Rock a bye baby in the tree top...
True. It would be reasonable to imagine that these are some of the reasons for human to build primitive shelters on the ground. I would also imagine the earlier shelters were something like those demonstrated in the survivorman TV series. It shows that a suitable shelter is necessary(?) in the environment of forest, desert, mountain, arctic, etc. etc.
The question is still there. If such a shelter is desirable, why don't we also see apes make some? Are they really so dumb? (a loud YES!) (I have seen snow monkeys covered with snow. They don't seem like it) |
5th August 2009, 10:54 PM
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6th August 2009, 08:21 AM
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Reps: 63,932,760,995,062,528 (power: 63,932,760,995,076) | | Originally Posted by juvenissun See, what you said is part of the problem.
I like to live in a cave (natural or not). But a livable cave should at least be built on a hilly area. Otherwise, flood will be a problem. If I made a cave house, it is likely that it will be a little far from "cities" and electricity and water supply could be in trouble. That is why people today seldom live in a cave. Now, do you think this "environmental" change, which drove people away from cave-dwelling is part of biological evolution?
Of course not. If not, why did it happen?
And, naturally, this is precisely why people moved out of caves. There are measurements besides "easy" and "already exists." If a group of people follow a food source to a place with no caves then they will not have caves in which to live. If there exists a rock that is more suitable to tool-making and it is not within easy reach of a cave, people will likely move closer to that source. If a community discovers agriculture, they will move to a place most suitable to planting. Really, climate control is a very small factor in survivability next to any of these things.
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6th August 2009, 08:34 AM
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In relative to the process of ape to human evolution. Yes. |
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Reps: 44,404,246,110,554,912 (power: 44,404,246,110,568) | | Originally Posted by Willtor And, naturally, this is precisely why people moved out of caves. There are measurements besides "easy" and "already exists." If a group of people follow a food source to a place with no caves then they will not have caves in which to live. If there exists a rock that is more suitable to tool-making and it is not within easy reach of a cave, people will likely move closer to that source. If a community discovers agriculture, they will move to a place most suitable to planting. Really, climate control is a very small factor in survivability next to any of these things.
I think what you said is true to apes too. The original question is still there: why haven't they developed something even remotely similar to a house? Are you impressed by a bird nest? I am. Is bird more evolved than ape? |
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Reps: 18,889,155,825,852,136 (power: 18,889,155,825,864) | | Originally Posted by juvenissun In relative to the process of ape to human evolution. Yes.
It amazes me how you can so adamantly deny evolution -- to the point of calling its subscribers stupid -- and yet display such an appalling understanding of it. Of course the environment plays a role in evolution, juvie! It's called natural selection, and is one of the main tenets of the evolutionary theory.
You should really have a careful look at this website: Understanding Evolution
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Reps: 1,984,022,293,840,305,920 (power: 1,984,022,293,840,324) | | Originally Posted by juvenissun I think what you said is true to apes too. The original question is still there: why haven't they developed something even remotely similar to a house? Are you impressed by a bird nest? I am. Is bird more evolved than ape?  Gorilla nests
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Reps: 12,567,898,174,147,644 (power: 12,567,898,174,166) | | Originally Posted by juvenissun I think what you said is true to apes too. The original question is still there: why haven't they developed something even remotely similar to a house? Are you impressed by a bird nest? I am. Is bird more evolved than ape?
Or maybe caddis fly larvae are. 
Quite by accident today I discovered information on these tiny house builders who "skilfully build tubular houses for themselves out of materials they pick up from the bed of the stream. ... [P]erhaps the most impressive caddis houses are the ones built in local stone. The caddis chooses its stone carefully, rejecting those that are too large or too small for the current gap in the wall, even rotating the stone until it achieves the snuggest fit."
Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene, 30th anniversary edition, p 238
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