Truth and Science

How much Truth are we expected to surrender before we can adequately embrace science?

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None.

Science is the process of learning about our natural world through experimentation and reason.

Science does not claim to present absolute truths, but simply the best knowledge we can attain through the use of the scientific method, given our current mathematical and physical limitations.

I would love to see where 'Truth' is lost in this process.

Oh my. What is AV's latest word game all about? Let's see. Are we supposed to decree "no truth" in order to be scientists? Well, not really. We just recognize that for our best efforts we may not see absolute truth.

But that's awfully nuanced for a great thinker like AV, so we won't bother him with that.

I'll just go ahead and say "Abandon all truth ye who enter here." Science is intent on destroying all in its path with its evil. The most evil thing Science ever did was demote Pluto down from "planet status" thereby revealing its ultra-evil processes and plan.

We scientists, in service to our drooling blood-master ("the Scientific Method"), denigrated Pluto and all bets were off.

Truth is a lie and lie is truth.

Abandon truth all ye who enter here.

Oh yeah, and we still "discover new things" so that means we are even more evil tomorrow than we are today!

None? But the question is kinda mess up to start. I see you put a capital on Truth, so you're probably putting additional meaning to it. Knowing you, I'd guess that you mean "biblical teachings". And while that isn't too well defined, you've got a closet full of dogma and baggage that goes along with your religious beliefs.

So if you want to embrace science, you're going to have to give up:
The flood. You know the one.
The age of the world. It's older.
Portions of all the miracles. It's possible to walk on water, but even Jesus would need floaters or something.
Separation of the mind and the brain.
The vast distinction between humanity and the rest of nature. Yes we're different, but not that different.
Intelligent Design, at least until you get some theories that aren't shot down yet.
The static nature of the world. Tectonic plates have, are, and will be moving around.
The earth centric model of the universe. We quite clearly circle around the sun.

This list isn't exhaustive, but it's all stuff that isn't true, and certainly isn't scientific.

the word is all "superstition", not "truth". no cigar.

you don't have to give up any truth, rather you have to give up mythology that you mistake for truth, when in fact its just wrong.

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We have seen thee, Queen of Cheese,
Lying quietly at your ease,
Gently fanned by evening breeze;
Thy fair form no flies dare seize.

All gaily dressed, soon you'll go
To the provincial show,
To be admired by many a beau
In the city of Toronto.
from "Ode on the Mammoth Cheese" by James McIntyre

oh and its not about what you are "expected" to do (by who exactly?)

"GOD DID IT --- CASE CLOSED"

i actually ignored the original post. (for obvious reasons, you're not referrign to truth, you're referring to your biblical insta"truth".)

i wanted to focus on this part in your thinking.
you do realize that "goddunnit" explain NOTHING about reality, apart from ascribing some sort of subjective (depending on what mythology you believe in to make you feel special) meaning you ascribe to the existance of a particular thing.

EG:
Q:"what is rain?"
CHR A:"that's when god makes water fall from the sky to water the crops."
Q:"right, but does that even answer what rain is?"
Science A:"rain is the accumulated conensation of watervapor in clouds, that is caused when a cloud comes into contacht with colder air...ect"
"even IF it was god's will, it doesn't require his intervention at all."

do you understand my point?
and do you see how this one statement of yours actually accumulates into your origninal question?

I'd love to hear the "et cetera". What is watervapor? H20. What is H20? What is hydrogen? What is an atom? What is a quark? etc...

Will science tell us the whole truth, and nothing but the truth someday?

Originally Posted by random325nicaea

do you understand my point?
and do you see how this one statement of yours actually accumulates into your origninal question?

Yes --- and I disagree.

Let's take your rain example.

Rain is nothing more than H₂O that has accumulated enough mass to overcome the natural forces keeping it suspended in air.

It then falls to earth in the form of hydrometeorids.

Now a question for you:

What is the formula for gravity?

It is Gm₁m₂/r².

Who set those parameters?

Why is the G a constant? Why is it m x m and not m + m? Why is it r² and not r³?

I'll tell you why.

God set the parameters 6100 years ago when He moved around the earth in Genesis 1:2.

So, "Yes, Virginia, God does 'cause' the rain."

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