Truth and Science

riight, you forgot the part where water gatherers around dust particles due to their cohesive nature (dipolar) and how they then fall even before the raw calculation point is reached.

and what are those natural forces that are suspending it in the air? and where do they come from?
wind, caused by solar radiation warming the ground and gasses in our lower atmosphere causing the gasses to rise and take (when over an ocean) a lot of water vapor with them, ect, ect.

when you would have said "god dunnit" you would have stopped to aks the questions and seek the answers, or at least there would have been the large drive of "i don't know, lets find out"

"It is Gm₁m₂/r².

Who set those parameters?"


-_- are you serious?

WHAT are you trying to calculate here?

gravity

what is gravity?

the interaction between 2 masses.


so what is it dependent on?
the mass of the object, their distance apart (the area over which the force is working) and the constant to calculate how mass "transfers" into force, aka the gravtational constant.

these paramaters are set by the people who want to calculate gravity, as they are the only things required to calculate the force.

to say that "god" somehow set these parameters is ludicres.
why question the form of the formula?!
if it would be any different it would describe WHAT WAS GOING ON!

mass apparently interacts, accordign to this formula, we distilled that from countless observations and measurements.

why is this gravitational constant constant?

here im not exactly sure. i think it has to do with the idea that gravity is cause by particles that have certain properties that allow for gravitational interaction (higgs boson?) and since these particles can only exist at one type of energy level, they're "constant".

any physisist please correct me on this, if im wrong.


but i know where you are going AV.

your goign on the "why,why, why?" tour untill we come to a "we don't know...yet" and you shout "AHAH! god didit"

or we'll get to a "that's just the way this particle is" and you inset a "SEE! god made it so".
which doesn't explain squat as i explained earlier. and so needed be put on it in the first place.

HAHAHAHAHA.
look at your screen.
if we'd have stuck to "the bible contains all knowledge" like we did in the dark ages. you wouldn't be looking at it. you'd probably alreayd be lookign at your gravestone from below, at your age.

"Well, when I get it in Writing from the Creator of the universe, I tend to believe it."

he didn't even write the thing himself, let alone have it censored and compiled by roman catholic priests in 325AD.

I don't think it crossed his mind that a large part of the Bible is more likely to've been written retroactively.

Because if that crossed his mind, it'd be blasphemy and he'd go to Hell when he dies.

Originally Posted by AV

It better be one doosey of a correspondence.

1. It better come from three different cont
2. It better come in three different languages.
3. inents.
4. It better have been sent by 40+ men.
5. It better have taken 1500 years to write.
6. It better have Nigeria's history written in advance, and fulled so far with 100% accuracy.
7. It better have been preserved with an accuracy of ∆HBible = 0.
8. Its author better have generated two superpowers under its aegis.
9. Its author's son better have split time into two different ways to record it.

I could go on, but I'm afraid this Prince of Nigeria recognizes futility when he sees it.

Do you believe the Bible is true because it meets these standards, or do you hold everything to these standards because you believe the Bible is true? __________________

"It better come from three different continents."
compeltely irrelevant back then, the geographical area was a border zone between africa, asia and europe. and trade across this region was commen.
it doesn't make it any more true because it's suddenly "special"

"It better come in three different languages."

so it's special HOW? it was written in the local languages and one of the "super foreign languages" (greek), which considering that some foreigners wrote parts of it" doesn't suprise me.

hebrew was the language of the jews, aramaic was spoken in the same geographical zone, and greek was a reasonably well know language to traders, scribes and intelectuals.

"It better have been sent by 40+ men."

so does my poetry book,
does that make it anymore special? it just indicates that it is a compilation, one that was carfully constructed i might add.

"It better have taken 1500 years to write."

WOW that's enough time to write countless altered versions and then select them for best synchrony!

"It better have Nigeria's history written in advance, and fulled so far with 100% accuracy."

and it better not be vague or allow for people to insert events after they happened.

"It better have been preserved with an accuracy of ∆HBible = 0."

you DO realize that there are many versions of the bible and there are known speling and translation errors that crept in over the years?
you're putting a LOT of trust in some long dead translators, copying the work with quill and inkt.

"Its author better have generated two superpowers under its aegis."

irrelivent, or maybe shakespeare is some divine word since it has 1 superpower under it's ageas, and perhaps voltaire's word is even MORE inspires since it has america AND france.

and ironically, christianity also crashed quite a few empires...
may i remind you of the "west roman empire"

he's probably already going to hell along with us all
for lying to other people about reality in order to serve his own agenda

like Hovind.

unless.."lying for jezus" is "A OK!"

btw, i seem to recall something about evangelicals.....hebrews 8 perhaps?

Proof? Obviously nothing less than a paper published in a peer reviewed journal by a qualified historian from a related field is acceptable.

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I believe the Bible is true because It meets these standards.

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Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, their brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvelous in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.
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well 4 of those are extremely useless standards.

number of authors, languages, geographical location and amount of empires brought on.

An example, one of many, is the "Son of God.".

Gods having mortal sons, or manifesting themselves as their son, or having a son amongst the living isn't exactly original.

Jesus' and Horus' life events, etc.

The parallels between Christian beliefs and other, much older religions are extensive.