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1st October 2009, 09:09 PM
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,796) | | Originally Posted by random325nicaea  why wait?
he could do it in a jiffy. remake the world, be done with it all.
and why HAS he not done that already?
God exists, creates, & rules, outside humanity's Time/Space periphery.
You don't expect, God to aquiesce to your Timeline... really.
In fact, He has giving you, by virtue of you participating here,
numerous opportunities... God's eventual earth Re-creation.../make ENJOY! 
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Incorrect premise - your personal interpretations are not "Truth." Please prove that they are first before continuing. |
21st October 2009, 07:47 AM
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How much truth are we expected to surrender before we can adequately embrace christianity? |
30th October 2009, 02:13 PM
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Reps: 406,903,328,345,094,208 (power: 406,903,328,345,118) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET How much Truth are we expected to surrender before we can adequately embrace science?
None. Remember, science studies God's second book: Creation. God left in Creation evidence of how He created. That's what science figures out.
Unfortunately, some people have tried to make a scientific theory about how God created from their interpretation of Genesis. But God's Creation shows that this interpretation is wrong. It's not about "Truth" with a capital "T". It's about a mistaken human interpretation and human pride versus what God is really telling us.
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Originally Posted by Jazer How much truth are we expected to surrender before we can adequately embrace christianity?
None. I personally do not find it necessary to "surrender" anything remotely resembling "truth" to embrace Christianity. Most Catholics embrace the theory of evolution as I do whereas many Protestants do not. There seems to be a subjective element to one's belief systems that can vary from individual to individual and I choose to align my beliefs with science, whenever and wherever possible. "Science" isn't always "better than" religion by the way, nor is it immune from a 'herd mentality' that can require a surrendering of 'truth' in order to "conform", just like religion.
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30th October 2009, 04:10 PM
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Reps: 406,903,328,345,094,208 (power: 406,903,328,345,118) | | Originally Posted by Jazer How much truth are we expected to surrender before we can adequately embrace christianity?
None. There is nothing in science to contradict the essential claims of Christianity. Fundamentalism is not Christianity.
Michael, most Protestants accept evolution. And there are some Catholics who reject it: Michael Behe comes immediately to mind. I suggest that, instead of looking at "Protestant" and "Catholic", we look at Christians and Fundamentalists.
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30th October 2009, 04:15 PM
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2nd November 2009, 06:06 AM
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Reps: 142,567,785,179,653,616 (power: 142,567,785,179,661) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET Did Jesus walk on water?
If your answer is anything other than, 'yes' --- your whole post means nothing to me; and Aquinas & co. make take a hike.
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Yep... this is the AV I remember.
Asks questions for no reason since he already knows the "Truth."
I remember I had him in this exact same place a few months ago when after some back-and-forth, he finally just said "If you're trying to make me deny the Bible, know now that I never will regardless of what you say" or something to that effect. I still find it fascinating, out of morbid curiosity, that he not only sees nothing wrong with his fear and/or blind faith in the Bible but that he actually believes himself better for it. |
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Reps: 295,212,687,427,838,720 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by lucaspa None. Remember, science studies God's second book: Creation. God left in Creation evidence of how He created. That's what science figures out.
Unfortunately, some people have tried to make a scientific theory about how God created from their interpretation of Genesis. But God's Creation shows that this interpretation is wrong. It's not about "Truth" with a capital "T". It's about a mistaken human interpretation and human pride versus what God is really telling us.
I've noticed that many Creationists, whether they're willing to admit it or not, use "Truth" as a substitute for "pride." | | |
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