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1st August 2009, 11:28 PM
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This family probably needs to be lifted up in prayer, they lost a daughter, and have been convicted of homicide.
we know that it is the will of God to heal all, so the failed prayer would be on our part. and unfortunately for them, they have the added distress of being convicted of a homicide charge. Dale Neumann, 47, was convicted in the March 23, 2008, death of his daughter, Madeline, from undiagnosed diabetes. Prosecutors contended he should have rushed the girl to a hospital because she couldn't walk, talk, eat or drink. Instead, Madeline died on the floor of the family's rural Weston home as people surrounded her and prayed. Someone called 911 when she stopped breathing. Wis. jury: Father guilty in prayer death case | Comcast.net
This raises a lot of questions, when do they start convicting the doctors, of homicide, when there patients die?
My step father, in laws, first wife died from an infection, after a doctor left a surgical instrument in her, after simple surgery.
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1st August 2009, 11:37 PM
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1st August 2009, 11:53 PM
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Is it any wonder the world thinks prayer is worthless? In my view God enabled doctors as well and invented medicine. I would have prayed and taken the child to the hospital and done any number of things also.
Its like praying a child wont fall if she crawls off a cliff. God can certainly stop the fall, but places laws like gravity in our lives for a reason and wants us to respect them and live or die with the results. Free will can kill.
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2nd August 2009, 12:01 AM
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Reps: 78,665,091,878,813,952 (power: 78,665,091,878,818) | | Originally Posted by the.Sheepdog  The world doesnt believe in prayer brother. or in Gods promises. Oh they pay lip service to it but you can go to this very forum area and find those who say Gods promise is conditional upon whim.
Is it any wonder the world thinks prayer is worthless? In my view God enabled doctors as well and invented medicine. I would have prayed and taken the child to the hospital and done any number of things also.
Its like praying a child wont fall if she crawls off a cliff. God can certainly stop the fall, but places laws like gravity in our lives for a reason and wants us to respect them and live or die with the results. Free will can kill.
according to the article her condition was undiagnosed, perhaps the parents were praying for the fever to be gone, would the doctors have even been able to save her life at that point? and if a doctor misdiagnoses a patient and that patient die, should the doctor be charged with homicide?
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2nd August 2009, 04:53 AM
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Thankfully GOD is our judge.. and when things go wrong on earth for whatever reason.. HE knows the truth... and it is to HIM we ultimately answer..
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2nd August 2009, 04:57 PM
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Reps: 400,107,677,814 (power: 400,107,685) | | | Well, I don't know the whole story, but from what I understand is that the family refused to take their daughter to the hospital or to have her disease diagnosed. If this is the case, it is not faith that is taught from the Word of God. by the way, Fred Price has a great book on faith called "faith, foolishness & presumption".
"Wisdom" would have taken their daughter to be checked out- at least then they would know where to aim their faith for a cure (and all the while taking the proper medications until the manifestation of her healing came).
I don't see a failure of prayer here, or a faith failure, but a failure to properly use faith with common sense. Walking by faith doesn't mean throwing out all common sense (only when common sense contradicts the Word of God do we not regard it).
In my opinion, Charles Capps book, "Faith & Confession" is the best book written on the subject and addresses these issues and brings into balance the common misconceptions people have of faith.
I believe that the problem lies primarily with a failure of ministers to understand & properly teach the faith message. One may "believe they have faith" and not have any at all.
This is also the cause for all the criticism of the faith message. It isnt understood by the world because it isnt even understood by the church.
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3rd August 2009, 02:05 AM
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You're right. There are many who don't really understand about faith and how to use it. Too much of the time its presumption, which does give the faith message a bad name |
3rd August 2009, 02:26 PM
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Reps: 78,665,091,878,813,952 (power: 78,665,091,878,818) | | Originally Posted by PastorJoey Well, I don't know the whole story, but from what I understand is that the family refused to take their daughter to the hospital or to have her disease diagnosed. If this is the case, it is not faith that is taught from the Word of God. by the way, Fred Price has a great book on faith called "faith, foolishness & presumption".
I don't see a failure of prayer here, or a faith failure, but a failure to properly use faith with common sense. Walking by faith doesn't mean throwing out all common sense (only when common sense contradicts the Word of God do we not regard it).
In my opinion, Charles Capps book, "Faith & Confession" is the best book written on the subject and addresses these issues and brings into balance the common misconceptions people have of faith.
I believe that the problem lies primarily with a failure of ministers to understand & properly teach the faith message. One may "believe they have faith" and not have any at all.
This is also the cause for all the criticism of the faith message. It isnt understood by the world because it isnt even understood by the church.
I believe the biggest complaint with the faith message is the prosperity issue, and yes concerning healing, many complain it is not the will of God to heal all.
I highlited (bold) above, which is a good question, is it a requirment Biblicly, to be totaly acurate in praying for the right body part? The woman with the issue of blood knew she had an issue of blood, the blind knew they were blind etc. etc.
in 05 I was praying for God to heal a kidney, when in fact it was arthritus, which I did receive healing for, after I had it diagnoised, but there was also another factor involved, I received the healing after I dropped something that should not have been in my life. I only mention that because it may help someone else, who may be praying for healing in their body.
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3rd August 2009, 03:08 PM
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Reps: 203,500,540,511,808,416 (power: 0) | | | Please forgive my ignorance and I apologize for being off topic here but is WOF like Christian Science? Do you shun medical help and just pray for healing? If not I guess I just don’t understand the objection to the father being prosecuted. |
3rd August 2009, 04:16 PM
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Reps: 23,781,182,278,118,932 (power: 23,781,182,278,152) | | Originally Posted by Al Bundy Please forgive my ignorance and I apologize for being off topic here but is WOF like Christian Science? Do you shun medical help and just pray for healing? If not I guess I just don’t understand the objection to the father being prosecuted.
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No its not like Christian Science. They deny sickness existed.
WOF believes Jesus paid for our healing and we believe it and recieve it. We don't deny it exists but we can deny the right for it to remain in our body and resist it.
WOF has nothing to do with this article. That wasn't his belief so I don't think anyone should assume WOF people do this sort of thing. Just because a person believes in healing doesn't mean he is WOF. Many Christian groups and denominations believe in healing. | | |
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