I really just would like to challenge people to just read and reveiw the facts. Forget what man thinks happen and just look at the facts see if they are conclusive to what the Bible says. And if you see then they are then you just might want to pick up a Bible and read it.
1. INTERPLANETARY DUST
Did you realize the Earth and moon regularly gather dust from the cosmos? On Earth dust is hardly detectable. Even so we should expect millions of tons of it has washed into the sea over the last few billions years. But we don't find it.
Since the moon has no erosion but is also accumulating cosmic dust at a regular rate we should discover something. At present rates NASA experts expect a tremendous layer of dust should be on the moon due to it's 4.5 billion year supposed age.
The most conservative estimates expect there is suppose to be about 54 feet of dust on the moon. However when they landed on the moon they found only about an inch to three inches of dust. That much would have taken fewer than 8,000 years to stack up. Is it possible the moon really hasn't been there any longer that that?
2. JUVENILE WATER
When volcanoes erupt on the earth today as much as 20% of the erupted material water. This is water has come from deep below the crust of the Earth, where, being under very high pressure, its temperature was extremely hot. This water soars into the atmosphere as steam and soon condenses down as rain.
This water has never been on the surface of the Earth before so it is called juvenile water. Every time a volcanoes erupts there is water being added to the oceans; water that wasn’t there before.
Scientist have observed volcanoes erupting at the rate of about a dozen each year. Altogether it has been estimated that their total output of juvenile water amounts to roughly one cubic mile. By simple mathematics we can now easily calculate backwards to find how long it would take to produce all the present water on the Earth. How much water fills the Earth today? About 340,000,000 cubic miles.
Figure it out now. At the rate of one new cubic mile of water being added to the Earth each year that means that it would take 340 millions years ago there was no water on Earth. According to traditional evolutionary charts of the Earth 340 million years ago we were in the middle of the age of the fish. How could the fish survive without any water?
3. COMETS
As comets make their circuits around the sun they suffer a fate quite different from the planets. They are literally blown apart every time the come close to the sun. Knowing this then it is quite apparent that the comets will eventually disintegrate completely.
Measuring the observable rate of comet disintegration, scientist realize that all the short-period comets would be gone in as little as 10,000 years. Yet there are up to five million comets still orbiting the solar system.
Because many astronomers are not willing to admit the possibility that this process might indicate that the comets (as well as the solar system) were created about 6,000 years ago they are forced to dodge the issue be devising another theory. So they suppose there must be a huge nest of comets far in the outer reaches of space. Every once in a while a cosmic disturbance kicks a few comets into our solar system.
Is there any evidence that such a birth of comets happens periodically? The answer is of course no. But such explanations much be invoked if one wishes to avoid the glaringly obvious conclusion that the planets just aren’t that old.
4. EROSION
Consider the present rate of erosion tearing down the world’s land mass and filling into oceans. The indication of continental geography show that past rates of erosion were much higher that today. Even so there should have accumulated at least 30 times more sediment in the ocean that there actually is. Of course this is if the oceans have been there for billions of years.
Even more surprising is the discover that all the contents on Earth would be worn down to sea level in just 14 million years. However there is not evidence for erosion on such a large scale. The mountains and valleys on Earth seem to have been recently made. Their sharp appearance testifies to there age of less that 6,000 years.
5. TOP SOIL
Scientist estimate that top soil ( the soil which stains life in a thin layer of an average depth of seven or eight inches over the face of the Earth) is produced at an average rate of about six inches takes about 5,000 – 20,000 years to make.
If this is correct and the Earth is billions of years old. Then why is there not a lot more top soil on the Earth?
These are a few of the facts contributes to the fact the Earth is not billions of years old. I do have one more interesting fact that is proof the Earth is not billions of years old. I just don't have enough time to post them right now. But I will give you one more that I have on my mind and should be proof enough that the Bible is right on at least one thing... the flood.
The oldest living thing on Earth is a tree that is only about 4,000 years old. The type of oak is hard and ruff and the trees life in mountainous areas around California and Nevada. Because of the hardness of the Bristlecone tree they will go on living and additional thousands of years.
So why don’t we find a grove of trees that have been dated back to 8,000 or 10,000 years ago or maybe even longer? If the trees like this have lived 4,000 years they cold have certainly lived longer. It’s almost as though all those trees were planted on a virgin Earth about 4,000 years ago. The Bible says that a flood wiped out everthing on Earth about 4,000 years ago. Could that be correct?
how dare you try to prove creation with facts. don't you know that aliens harvested all of out trees 4000 years ago and drank all the extra water. they used giganic plows to relevevl the earth and dredge soil out of the oceans. they create new comets to shoot at our sun in the universal pool tournaments and the moon was their cue ball they left behind.
i just want to be the first to post a nonsense arguement.
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The oldest living thing on Earth is a tree that is only about 4,000 years old. The type of oak is hard and ruff and the trees life in mountainous areas around California and Nevada. Because of the hardness of the Bristlecone tree they will go on living and additional thousands of years.
Did you realize the Earth and moon regularly gather dust from the cosmos?
Yes. And since this is not my field, I would love to see your sources for the estimates you quote later. You were suggesting that we review the facts, but without a source, your facts could've come from your rear end for all I know.
2. JUVENILE WATER
When volcanoes erupt on the earth today as much as 20% of the erupted material water. This is water has come from deep below the crust of the Earth, where, being under very high pressure, its temperature was extremely hot. This water soars into the atmosphere as steam and soon condenses down as rain.
This water has never been on the surface of the Earth before so it is called juvenile water. Every time a volcanoes erupts there is water being added to the oceans; water that wasn’t there before.
Scientist have observed volcanoes erupting at the rate of about a dozen each year. Altogether it has been estimated that their total output of juvenile water amounts to roughly one cubic mile. By simple mathematics we can now easily calculate backwards to find how long it would take to produce all the present water on the Earth. How much water fills the Earth today? About 340,000,000 cubic miles.
Figure it out now. At the rate of one new cubic mile of water being added to the Earth each year that means that it would take 340 millions years ago there was no water on Earth. According to traditional evolutionary charts of the Earth 340 million years ago we were in the middle of the age of the fish. How could the fish survive without any water?
Are there no processes that return water into the mantle? I can immediately think of one: subduction. The subducting plate will contain water in cracks and in its constituent minerals themselves - where does that water go?
3. COMETS
As comets make their circuits around the sun they suffer a fate quite different from the planets. They are literally blown apart every time the come close to the sun. Knowing this then it is quite apparent that the comets will eventually disintegrate completely.
Measuring the observable rate of comet disintegration, scientist realize that all the short-period comets would be gone in as little as 10,000 years. Yet there are up to five million comets still orbiting the solar system.
Because many astronomers are not willing to admit the possibility that this process might indicate that the comets (as well as the solar system) were created about 6,000 years ago they are forced to dodge the issue be devising another theory.
Can you provide any support for the claim that they came up with another theory because they don't want a young universe?
So they suppose there must be a huge nest of comets far in the outer reaches of space. Every once in a while a cosmic disturbance kicks a few comets into our solar system.
Is there any evidence that such a birth of comets happens periodically? The answer is of course no. But such explanations much be invoked if one wishes to avoid the glaringly obvious conclusion that the planets just aren’t that old.
The "glaringly obvious" conclusion is contradicted by repeated applications of several independent methods of radiometric dating. What can you say about that?
And again, what is your evidence that astronomers come up with these theories because they want to avoid some conclusions, and not because postulating a halo of comets and a few gravitational disturbances is a more reasonable explanation than anything else?
4. EROSION
Consider the present rate of erosion tearing down the world’s land mass and filling into oceans. The indication of continental geography show that past rates of erosion were much higher that today.
There's another "fact" I would love to see the source of.
Even so there should have accumulated at least 30 times more sediment in the ocean that there actually is. Of course this is if the oceans have been there for billions of years.
Even more surprising is the discover that all the contents on Earth would be worn down to sea level in just 14 million years.
Source?
Are you not forgetting about plate tectonics by any chance? (Again) Mountains don't just sit there waiting to be eroded. They grow while they are young (which, for example, the Himalayas still are).
However there is not evidence for erosion on such a large scale. The mountains and valleys on Earth seem to have been recently made. Their sharp appearance testifies to there age of less that 6,000 years.
What do you mean by "sharp appearance" and why can erosion not produce such landscapes? The first thing I think of when you say "sharp appearance" is the Alps, and IIRC the sharp appearance of the Alps is largely the result of erosion by ice. Fast-flowing streams will also cut into the rock pretty sharply. I think your point is lacking in both clarity and support.
Here, a page of lecture notes with pretty pictures of nice and sharp landscapes sculpted by ice, water and wind.
5. TOP SOIL
Scientist estimate that top soil ( the soil which stains life in a thin layer of an average depth of seven or eight inches over the face of the Earth) is produced at an average rate of about six inches takes about 5,000 – 20,000 years to make.
If this is correct and the Earth is billions of years old. Then why is there not a lot more top soil on the Earth?
I can't believe that you ask this question after discussing erosion for several paragraphs.
These are a few of the facts contributes to the fact the Earth is not billions of years old. I do have one more interesting fact that is proof the Earth is not billions of years old. I just don't have enough time to post them right now. But I will give you one more that I have on my mind and should be proof enough that the Bible is right on at least one thing... the flood.
The oldest living thing on Earth is a tree that is only about 4,000 years old. The type of oak is hard and ruff and the trees life in mountainous areas around California and Nevada. Because of the hardness of the Bristlecone tree they will go on living and additional thousands of years.
Bristlecone trees are not oaks
So why don’t we find a grove of trees that have been dated back to 8,000 or 10,000 years ago or maybe even longer? If the trees like this have lived 4,000 years they cold have certainly lived longer.
What? Why don't we see any 300-year-old humans? If they can live for 120 years, why not twice as long?
Slippery slope fallacies aside, what about these (super)organisms?
And once again, I would very much like to hear your opinion of radiometric dating.
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why doesn't it suprise me that someone with the name "evolutionslayer" is so incredibly ignorant of the science we did to come up with this figure.
btw, anyone noticed that he's actually trying to answer the question "how old is our earth" instead of the actual thread question XD!
last time i checked our solar system wasn't "the universe"...
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I really just would like to challenge people to just read and reveiw the facts. Forget what man thinks happen and just look at the facts see if they are conclusive to what the Bible says. And if you see then they are then you just might want to pick up a Bible and read it.
1. INTERPLANETARY DUST
Did you realize the Earth and moon regularly gather dust from the cosmos? On Earth dust is hardly detectable. Even so we should expect millions of tons of it has washed into the sea over the last few billions years. But we don't find it.
Since the moon has no erosion but is also accumulating cosmic dust at a regular rate we should discover something. At present rates NASA experts expect a tremendous layer of dust should be on the moon due to it's 4.5 billion year supposed age.
The most conservative estimates expect there is suppose to be about 54 feet of dust on the moon. However when they landed on the moon they found only about an inch to three inches of dust. That much would have taken fewer than 8,000 years to stack up. Is it possible the moon really hasn't been there any longer that that?
2. JUVENILE WATER
When volcanoes erupt on the earth today as much as 20% of the erupted material water. This is water has come from deep below the crust of the Earth, where, being under very high pressure, its temperature was extremely hot. This water soars into the atmosphere as steam and soon condenses down as rain.
This water has never been on the surface of the Earth before so it is called juvenile water. Every time a volcanoes erupts there is water being added to the oceans; water that wasn’t there before.
Scientist have observed volcanoes erupting at the rate of about a dozen each year. Altogether it has been estimated that their total output of juvenile water amounts to roughly one cubic mile. By simple mathematics we can now easily calculate backwards to find how long it would take to produce all the present water on the Earth. How much water fills the Earth today? About 340,000,000 cubic miles.
Figure it out now. At the rate of one new cubic mile of water being added to the Earth each year that means that it would take 340 millions years ago there was no water on Earth. According to traditional evolutionary charts of the Earth 340 million years ago we were in the middle of the age of the fish. How could the fish survive without any water?
3. COMETS
As comets make their circuits around the sun they suffer a fate quite different from the planets. They are literally blown apart every time the come close to the sun. Knowing this then it is quite apparent that the comets will eventually disintegrate completely.
Measuring the observable rate of comet disintegration, scientist realize that all the short-period comets would be gone in as little as 10,000 years. Yet there are up to five million comets still orbiting the solar system.
Because many astronomers are not willing to admit the possibility that this process might indicate that the comets (as well as the solar system) were created about 6,000 years ago they are forced to dodge the issue be devising another theory. So they suppose there must be a huge nest of comets far in the outer reaches of space. Every once in a while a cosmic disturbance kicks a few comets into our solar system.
Is there any evidence that such a birth of comets happens periodically? The answer is of course no. But such explanations much be invoked if one wishes to avoid the glaringly obvious conclusion that the planets just aren’t that old.
4. EROSION
Consider the present rate of erosion tearing down the world’s land mass and filling into oceans. The indication of continental geography show that past rates of erosion were much higher that today. Even so there should have accumulated at least 30 times more sediment in the ocean that there actually is. Of course this is if the oceans have been there for billions of years.
Even more surprising is the discover that all the contents on Earth would be worn down to sea level in just 14 million years. However there is not evidence for erosion on such a large scale. The mountains and valleys on Earth seem to have been recently made. Their sharp appearance testifies to there age of less that 6,000 years.
5. TOP SOIL
Scientist estimate that top soil ( the soil which stains life in a thin layer of an average depth of seven or eight inches over the face of the Earth) is produced at an average rate of about six inches takes about 5,000 – 20,000 years to make.
If this is correct and the Earth is billions of years old. Then why is there not a lot more top soil on the Earth?
These are a few of the facts contributes to the fact the Earth is not billions of years old. I do have one more interesting fact that is proof the Earth is not billions of years old. I just don't have enough time to post them right now. But I will give you one more that I have on my mind and should be proof enough that the Bible is right on at least one thing... the flood.
The oldest living thing on Earth is a tree that is only about 4,000 years old. The type of oak is hard and ruff and the trees life in mountainous areas around California and Nevada. Because of the hardness of the Bristlecone tree they will go on living and additional thousands of years.
So why don’t we find a grove of trees that have been dated back to 8,000 or 10,000 years ago or maybe even longer? If the trees like this have lived 4,000 years they cold have certainly lived longer. It’s almost as though all those trees were planted on a virgin Earth about 4,000 years ago. The Bible says that a flood wiped out everthing on Earth about 4,000 years ago. Could that be correct?
We predict that this is a drive-by posting, and we wont here from the alleged slayer again.
We also note that SOME of us post here out of the knowledge that we earned the hard way, and we dont have to cut and paste in order to be able to say something.
Further noted is the document dump style of posting, a typical theocreo attempt at argument. Who would want to try to refute all of that nonsense?
If you are a real person and IF you want to actually discuss rather than cut and paste some cra[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]imo from a website, your choice of proving the flood is a good one.
Your tree dating btw is an excellent one for disproving your flood.
why doesn't it suprise me that someone with the name "evolutionslayer" is so incredibly ignorant of the science we did to come up with this figure.
btw, anyone noticed that he's actually trying to answer the question "how old is our earth" instead of the actual thread question XD!
last time i checked our solar system wasn't "the universe"...
Why doesnt it surprise me that he'd say something like "The type of oak is hard and ruff and the trees life in mountainous areas around California and Nevada. Because of the hardness of the Bristlecone tree they will go on living and additional thousands of years. "
The Bristlecone is a pine tree not an oak Oak tress dont have cones. or fruit.
Oldest one seems to be 4700 years.
There are lots of trees with much harder wood
Who knows, and how exactly, that they would live for thousands more years?
There are other living things much older than 4700 years.
How old is the universe? 
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