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I'm really interested in lucid dreaming and I'm doing my best to achieve it the experience is like this:
You are dreaming,
You are fully aware you are dreaming,
You can Fully control your actions in the dream (but they are not limited like the actions in the physical world are for example flying),
Everything is amazingly realistic. example: Someone had a lucid dream and they picked up a handful of snow they could feel the cold on their hand and could see every single snowflakes detail and the glistening light because of the sun all in a dream the human mind,
Astral Projection is something I REALLY DO NOT want any part of I've heard astral projection is something like an Out of Body Experience and spirit realm and astral planes and new age spirituality satanic lies and occultic stuff that I want no part of. But I HAVE heard that you can astral project while lucid dreaming and I'm afraid of that. Someone please guide me all help is much appreciated thanks in advance.
Lucid dreaming is simply being aware that you are asleep while you are asleep thus rendering you a sense of control or power. If you want to have a lucid dream you can induce one safely by going to a GNC store and buying a vitamin suppliment called ZMA. It is a vitamin suppliment whose purpose is to help your body stay in deeper stages of sleep longer thus aiding in the rebuilding process if you are a body builder. Unlabeled but well known side effect: Lucid Dreams.
One word of caution. You may have a nightterror. If you can not handle the possibility of being scared out of your wits in a dream that you "seem" to have difficulty waking out of.. then this would be a pursuit best left alone. If you are an adrenaline junky you will love it.
Lucid dreams occur naturally from time to time and you can train yourself to have them by modifying your waking thought processes. You have to become more aware of your concious self in order to become more aware of your unconcious self.
When you wake up in the morning and head to the bathroom make the effort to say to your self "I am standing, I am walking down the hall, I am now picking up my toothbrush.. applying toothpaste." "I am awake" "I am walking to the fridge, I am awake" "I am hugging my grandma, she smells funny, I am awake"
Make yourself overly aware of your conciousness and your actions and this will lead into habits that bleed over into your unconciousness after a week or so. Then when you dream you will find yourself being more "aware" of your surroundings thus rendering yourself into a lucid state.
In terms of Astral projections. Just... stop reading about them and you won't do it. Its an occultic method and the more you study its forms the more likely you are to pursue them but its like skinning a deer.. if you don't learn how you can't accidentally do it. So anything you are reading whether out of curiosity or what have you just stop reading it. The Bible tells us to FLEE from sin, not explore it. You know its wrong so don't do it. Just walk away *Best mad max voice* Just.. walk away.
Last edited by PaulDavid; 10th August 2009 at 10:55 PM.
I think lucid dreaming would only be a sin if you used it for sinful reasons, Such as knowingly murdering or practising adultery in these dreams.
I lucid dream as a way of release, I find it really lets my creativity flow and I try to use that to glorify God.
Nowhere in the bible does it say that lucid dreaming is wrong, but dreaming or not, if you knowingly sin you are in the wrong. So by all means try it I guess, get a few more opinions first.
__________________ The Lord Jesus Christ had more sin than anybody, because he carried mine. We live in a world of sin, but we are redeemed because Jesus Christ took our sin upon himself, so that we wouldn't have to.
All the above people are correct, but I would definitely say be very cautious. I mean, why spend money on some vitamins, when you could be spedning the money on more important stuff? And why have lucid dreams if you think astral projection (which could be really bad) could occur? Why put yourself into such danger? We say "don't drink" not because it's sinful, but because it often leads to sinful and harmful things. IF you think lucid dreaming could lead to sinful and harmful things, THEN don't mess with it.
I'm not trying to be a kill joy, but definitely don't go into these things with reckless abandon. Cool.
Last edited by beforHim; 31st July 2010 at 02:01 PM.
You should pray about it. If your spirit is troubled by the practice of lucid dreams and what they could possibly lead to, then don't do it. That troubled feeling in your spirit is the Holy Spirit warning you. Also, think about the fact that everything you do, whether it be something mundane like breathing or something more intricate like standing for a cause, is made to serve one of two masters. So ask yourself, "How does lucid dreaming serve the kingdom of God?" if you can't answer that, then don't do it. If you can answer that, just make sure your reasoning lines up with scripture. Just like the others said, the more you study something, the more you are likely to do it. So, I would suggest that you supplement your lucidity training with scripture to guard your heart against demonic influences that may come against you while you are dreaming. Don't become too obsessed with the world of the dream, as Satan could use that to distract you from the reality of God and His works on this earth. In other words, don't lose sight of what's real and the importance thereof. Satan would love to distract you from God any way he can, but remember that you have authority over the principalities and the forces of darkness in Jesus' name. Proverbs 19:23 NAS is a good verse to remember: "The fear of the Lord leads to life, so that one may sleep satisfied, untouched by evil." Also Philippians 4:8 and Ephesians 6:10-18 are extremely relevant to this.
Last edited by Gilligan7; 26th July 2010 at 05:48 PM.
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I've never thought of there being a good or bad moral quality attached to lucid dreaming in and of itself. Its what you do in your dream that could color it in a negative or positive manner. Myself I used to tend to do a lot of bad stuff and I would often get stopped by what I would call "the dream police" . I used to blow them up with a dragon ball Z kamaya maya wave type thing but then I would wake up right after it happened so the dream police always got there way and kicked me out lol. I think I'm a little more mature now so I wouldn't be as evil in my lucid dreams but as I've gotten older I also have less and less lucid dreams. They are not a big deal really. Just a normal part of dream experience.
Regarding "astral travel" I really get the impression that it's mostly bunk and self deception in most instance. It sounds to much like things I've experienced in lucid dreams or during sleep paralysis and I know there is no sort of magical spiritual travel involved. Nothing magical or "occult" about it.
"The soul which bears abundant clusters of fruit is the one which has driven out of itself anything that says: 'This man is good, and that man is bad; this man is just and that man is a sinner.'... The barren soul is the one which judges its neighbor as being good or evil... When the grace visits us, the light of the love of our fellow-men, which is shed on the mirror of our heart, is such that we do not see in the world any sinners or evil men; but when we are under the influence of the demons, we are so much in the darkness of wrath that do not see a single good or upright man in the world."
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astral projection is not really any different from lucid dreaming. They're one and the same, except that AP-ing is basically a more deliberate practise that can be done from meditation (and is real hard). Plus it has a cooler sounding name, I guess. Nothing inherently wrong with it. You'll find yourself having the occaisonal OOB experience if you become a regular lucid dreamer, too; just a strange subconscious quirk I guess we have; it's all part of the strangeness and fun that comes with screwing around with dreams. Enjoy it!
__________________ The sound of weird lyric melody was what aroused me. Chords, vibrations, and harmonic ecstasies echoed passionately on every hand, while on my ravished sight burst the stupendous spectacle ultimate beauty. Walls, columns, and architraves of living fire blazed effulgently around the spot where I seemed to float in air, extending upward to an infinitely high vaulted dome of indescribable splendor.