Home | Be a Christian | Devotionals | Join Us! | Forums | Rules | F.A.Q.


Go Back   Christian Forums > Edification (orthodox Christians only) > Christian Ministries (orthodox Christians only) > Youth Ministry
Register BlogsPrayersJobsArcade Calendar Mark Forums Read

Youth Ministry A new forum for youth ministers, workers and pastors.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 31st July 2009, 05:44 AM
Newbie

18 Gender: Male Faith: Christian Country: United States Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 17th October 2008
Posts: 35
Blessings: 136,063
My Mood Cool
Reps: 10 (power: 0)
r2d2651 is on a distinguished road
Alert Lucid Dreams and Astral Projection satanic?

PLEASE READ THE ENTIRE POST BEFORE YOU REPLY THANK YOU!

I'm really interested in lucid dreaming and I'm doing my best to achieve it the experience is like this:

You are dreaming,

You are fully aware you are dreaming,

You can Fully control your actions in the dream (but they are not limited like the actions in the physical world are for example flying),

Everything is amazingly realistic. example: Someone had a lucid dream and they picked up a handful of snow they could feel the cold on their hand and could see every single snowflakes detail and the glistening light because of the sun all in a dream the human mind,

Astral Projection is something I REALLY DO NOT want any part of I've heard astral projection is something like an Out of Body Experience and spirit realm and astral planes and new age spirituality satanic lies and occultic stuff that I want no part of. But I HAVE heard that you can astral project while lucid dreaming and I'm afraid of that. Someone please guide me all help is much appreciated thanks in advance.
Reply With Quote
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!

  #2  
Old 10th August 2009, 12:22 AM
PaulDavid's Avatar
NOOB

Gender: Male Faith: Baptist Member For 5 Years Armor Bearer
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 7th August 2009
Location: Zombies. Yes, Zombies.
Posts: 313
Blessings: 113,007
My Mood Lurking
Reps: 228,196,662,307,794 (power: 228,196,662,313)
PaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond repute
PaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond reputePaulDavid has a reputation beyond repute
You are thinking too much.

Lucid dreaming is simply being aware that you are asleep while you are asleep thus rendering you a sense of control or power. If you want to have a lucid dream you can induce one safely by going to a GNC store and buying a vitamin suppliment called ZMA. It is a vitamin suppliment whose purpose is to help your body stay in deeper stages of sleep longer thus aiding in the rebuilding process if you are a body builder. Unlabeled but well known side effect: Lucid Dreams.

One word of caution. You may have a nightterror. If you can not handle the possibility of being scared out of your wits in a dream that you "seem" to have difficulty waking out of.. then this would be a pursuit best left alone. If you are an adrenaline junky you will love it.

Lucid dreams occur naturally from time to time and you can train yourself to have them by modifying your waking thought processes. You have to become more aware of your concious self in order to become more aware of your unconcious self.

When you wake up in the morning and head to the bathroom make the effort to say to your self "I am standing, I am walking down the hall, I am now picking up my toothbrush.. applying toothpaste." "I am awake" "I am walking to the fridge, I am awake" "I am hugging my grandma, she smells funny, I am awake"

Make yourself overly aware of your conciousness and your actions and this will lead into habits that bleed over into your unconciousness after a week or so. Then when you dream you will find yourself being more "aware" of your surroundings thus rendering yourself into a lucid state.

In terms of Astral projections. Just... stop reading about them and you won't do it. Its an occultic method and the more you study its forms the more likely you are to pursue them but its like skinning a deer.. if you don't learn how you can't accidentally do it. So anything you are reading whether out of curiosity or what have you just stop reading it. The Bible tells us to FLEE from sin, not explore it. You know its wrong so don't do it. Just walk away *Best mad max voice* Just.. walk away.

Cheers,
PD

Last edited by PaulDavid; 10th August 2009 at 10:55 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 18th August 2009, 06:39 PM
Junior Member

Gender: Female Faith: Christian Member For 5 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 18th August 2009
Posts: 19
Blessings: 44,772
My Mood Cheerful
Reps: 110,926,710,983 (power: 110,926,716)
Fishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond repute
Fishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond reputeFishyygirl has a reputation beyond repute
Lucid dreaming is 100% natural. How could anyone think it's satanic?

I'm not sure about ap though.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 22nd February 2010, 07:24 AM
Kyle Risk's Avatar
Junior Member

23 Gender: Male Faith: Christian Party: AU-Labor Country: Australia Member For 4 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 4th February 2010
Location: Sydney
Posts: 80
Blessings: 130,307
My Mood SpiritFilled
Blog Entries: 3
Reps: 10,034,558,501,661,196 (power: 10,034,558,501,666)
Kyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond repute
Kyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond reputeKyle Risk has a reputation beyond repute
I think lucid dreaming would only be a sin if you used it for sinful reasons, Such as knowingly murdering or practising adultery in these dreams.
I lucid dream as a way of release, I find it really lets my creativity flow and I try to use that to glorify God.
Nowhere in the bible does it say that lucid dreaming is wrong, but dreaming or not, if you knowingly sin you are in the wrong. So by all means try it I guess, get a few more opinions first.
God bless!
__________________
The Lord Jesus Christ had more sin than anybody, because he carried mine. We live in a world of sin, but we are redeemed because Jesus Christ took our sin upon himself, so that we wouldn't have to.

I love Jesus!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 26th February 2010, 07:32 AM
beforHim's Avatar
Apologetical

33 Gender: Male Married Faith: Methodist Country: United States Member For 5 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 14th June 2007
Location: TX, near Houston.
Posts: 2,526
Blessings: 594,472
My Mood Tolerant
Reps: 91,045,555,458,714,880 (power: 91,045,555,458,724)
beforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond repute
beforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond reputebeforHim has a reputation beyond repute
All the above people are correct, but I would definitely say be very cautious. I mean, why spend money on some vitamins, when you could be spedning the money on more important stuff? And why have lucid dreams if you think astral projection (which could be really bad) could occur? Why put yourself into such danger? We say "don't drink" not because it's sinful, but because it often leads to sinful and harmful things. IF you think lucid dreaming could lead to sinful and harmful things, THEN don't mess with it.

I'm not trying to be a kill joy, but definitely don't go into these things with reckless abandon. Cool.

Last edited by beforHim; 31st July 2010 at 02:01 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 26th July 2010, 05:38 PM
Newbie

Gender: Male Faith: Christian Member For 4 Years
 
Join Date: 26th July 2010
Posts: 1
Blessings: 97,150
Reps: 10 (power: 0)
Gilligan7 is on a distinguished road
You should pray about it. If your spirit is troubled by the practice of lucid dreams and what they could possibly lead to, then don't do it. That troubled feeling in your spirit is the Holy Spirit warning you. Also, think about the fact that everything you do, whether it be something mundane like breathing or something more intricate like standing for a cause, is made to serve one of two masters. So ask yourself, "How does lucid dreaming serve the kingdom of God?" if you can't answer that, then don't do it. If you can answer that, just make sure your reasoning lines up with scripture. Just like the others said, the more you study something, the more you are likely to do it. So, I would suggest that you supplement your lucidity training with scripture to guard your heart against demonic influences that may come against you while you are dreaming. Don't become too obsessed with the world of the dream, as Satan could use that to distract you from the reality of God and His works on this earth. In other words, don't lose sight of what's real and the importance thereof. Satan would love to distract you from God any way he can, but remember that you have authority over the principalities and the forces of darkness in Jesus' name. Proverbs 19:23 NAS is a good verse to remember: "The fear of the Lord leads to life, so that one may sleep satisfied, untouched by evil." Also Philippians 4:8 and Ephesians 6:10-18 are extremely relevant to this.

Last edited by Gilligan7; 26th July 2010 at 05:48 PM. Reason: forgot to add useful verse
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 26th July 2010, 10:59 PM
Christos Anesti's Avatar
Junior Member

35 Gender: Male Faith: Eastern-Orthodox Country: United States Member For 4 Years Steward
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 25th October 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 3,480
Blessings: 60,329,690
My Mood Bookworm
Reps: 569,012,350,439,908,736 (power: 569,012,350,439,916)
Christos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond repute
Christos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond reputeChristos Anesti has a reputation beyond repute
I've never thought of there being a good or bad moral quality attached to lucid dreaming in and of itself. Its what you do in your dream that could color it in a negative or positive manner. Myself I used to tend to do a lot of bad stuff and I would often get stopped by what I would call "the dream police" . I used to blow them up with a dragon ball Z kamaya maya wave type thing but then I would wake up right after it happened so the dream police always got there way and kicked me out lol. I think I'm a little more mature now so I wouldn't be as evil in my lucid dreams but as I've gotten older I also have less and less lucid dreams. They are not a big deal really. Just a normal part of dream experience.

Regarding "astral travel" I really get the impression that it's mostly bunk and self deception in most instance. It sounds to much like things I've experienced in lucid dreams or during sleep paralysis and I know there is no sort of magical spiritual travel involved. Nothing magical or "occult" about it.
__________________
"The soul which bears abundant clusters of fruit is the one which has driven out of itself anything that says: 'This man is good, and that man is bad; this man is just and that man is a sinner.'... The barren soul is the one which judges its neighbor as being good or evil... When the grace visits us, the light of the love of our fellow-men, which is shed on the mirror of our heart, is such that we do not see in the world any sinners or evil men; but when we are under the influence of the demons, we are so much in the darkness of wrath that do not see a single good or upright man in the world."

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Simon of Taibutheh
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 27th July 2010, 12:15 AM
witty and/or profound title

Gender: Male Faith: Christian Country: Australia Member For 4 Years
 
Join Date: 5th July 2010
Location: Various Western Australia
Posts: 95
Blessings: 102,212
Reps: 9,554,006,030,392,648 (power: 9,554,006,030,397)
WandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond repute
WandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond reputeWandererOfTheWastes has a reputation beyond repute
astral projection is not really any different from lucid dreaming. They're one and the same, except that AP-ing is basically a more deliberate practise that can be done from meditation (and is real hard). Plus it has a cooler sounding name, I guess. Nothing inherently wrong with it. You'll find yourself having the occaisonal OOB experience if you become a regular lucid dreamer, too; just a strange subconscious quirk I guess we have; it's all part of the strangeness and fun that comes with screwing around with dreams. Enjoy it!
__________________
The sound of weird lyric melody was what aroused me. Chords, vibrations, and harmonic ecstasies echoed passionately on every hand, while on my ravished sight burst the stupendous spectacle ultimate beauty. Walls, columns, and architraves of living fire blazed effulgently around the spot where I seemed to float in air, extending upward to an infinitely high vaulted dome of indescribable splendor.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 29th August 2010, 06:38 PM
Newbie

Gender: Female Faith: Pentecostal Member For 4 Years
 
Join Date: 29th August 2010
Posts: 1
Blessings: 95,310
Reps: 10 (power: 0)
jesus is love is on a distinguished road
god is love

Last edited by jesus is love; 29th August 2010 at 06:44 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 26th October 2010, 08:39 PM
homeofmew's Avatar
Master Trainer

29 Gender: Female Faith: Non-Denominational Party: US-Republican Country: United States Member For 5 Years Watchman
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 29th May 2005
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 1,361
Blessings: 425,362,489
My Mood Serious
Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,854,788)
homeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond repute
homeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond reputehomeofmew has a reputation beyond repute
You really aren't responsible for anything in your dreams.
Sometimes one knows they are dreaming and can control the outcome to a point.
But this doesn't always happens anyway.
__________________


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

B.S. Mathematics, University of Houston Victoria
Reply With Quote
Reply


Return to Youth Ministry

Thread Tools
Display Modes


 
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:42 PM.