"Alice laughed: "There's no use trying," she said; "one can't believe impossible things."
"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was younger, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Alice in Wonderland.
Cool
Now I offer my Challenge Let's set the Bible aside and run this on pure military science.
How would you orchestrate getting 603,550 of the adult males of your people (not counting women and children), who are under the watchful eye of the most powerful nation on the face of the earth, out of the country?
Keep in mind that your subordinates are expected to show up for work every day, and get paid for doing their new job of working as a laborer.
Also keep in mind that :
Weapons are available.
The majority of the adult males have military experience.
The male population is extremely large due to the fact that until recently your people were a main branch of the Egyptian military force
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the internal combustion engine runs on magic."- Blayz
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"And yes, to prove evolution is wrong does not mean creation is right. But, the goal is just that, to prove evolution is wrong. Nothing else."
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So they're still there, are they?Yes --- I know there was --- ( I 'believe' there was, actually).
The difference is in who (Who) sent the wind.
And along that line --- (and I consider this thread done) --- as I understand it, when gunpower was invented, the Japanese refused to use guns, preferring to fight with their Samurai swords.
Why?
Because they worshipped their swords as a deity.
By the time they 'woke up' and traded their swords for guns --- it was too late.
Rubbish. Complete rubbish. Go back and check Japanese history. Firearms were a major factor in the unification of Japan. Oda Nobunaga was a major proponent of their use. Check the Battle of Nagashino, for example.
Furthermore, you're so way off base on when gunpowder was invented. You make it sounds like the invention and the subsequent development of firearms were within a few years of each other, when in fact gunpowder was first mentioned by the Chinese in the mid 800's CE.
I agree with that statement as well, and even have a thread on it.
But that isn't the point of this thread --- which is the fact that there is no way on earth the Israelites could have walked out on Pharaoh without divine intervention.
Prove they were there in the first place, and to use your own request, do so without using the Bible.
For starters, it may surprise you to know that unlike other cultures, swords in Japan were regarded as more than a mere tool of war. Instead, they held what amounted to a religious significance that was worthy of worship and reverence.
as I understand it, when gunpower was invented, the Japanese refused to use guns, preferring to fight with their Samurai swords.
When gunpowder was invented, guns did not exist. Additionally, the Japanese were using guns as early as the Sengoku period (circa 1465-1600)
Originally Posted by AV1611VET
Why?
Because they worshipped their swords as a deity.
Notwithstanding your misunderstanding of Japanese gun usage above, I'd like to see a source for this claim (sword as god).
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"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Galileo Galilei
"Telling me the ToE is wrong is like telling a car mechanic
the internal combustion engine runs on magic."- Blayz
The POINT of Creationism, from an honest Creationist
"And yes, to prove evolution is wrong does not mean creation is right. But, the goal is just that, to prove evolution is wrong. Nothing else."
-juvenissun
No.
What you quoted says nothing about deity.
Quite frankly, I give worth to (the literal translation of worship) and revere my wife, and I'm sure you at least give worth to your wife as well, even if you don't revere her.
Point is, one can worship something without that "something" being a deity (or even believed to be a deity).
So, now if you will, a source confirming that the Japanese perceived that the katana was a deity? Thanks in advance
BTW- I noticed that you refused to comment on the guns and gunpowder issue
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"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Galileo Galilei
"Telling me the ToE is wrong is like telling a car mechanic
the internal combustion engine runs on magic."- Blayz
The POINT of Creationism, from an honest Creationist
"And yes, to prove evolution is wrong does not mean creation is right. But, the goal is just that, to prove evolution is wrong. Nothing else."
-juvenissun
Yup. Your ill-informed comments about the Japanese use of firearms are complete rubbish.
Oh, and your comment about how swords were revered shows a complete misunderstanding of the subject. A single sweeping generalization hardly captures the history of the subject. I imagine you share the usual western misconceptions about the katana, too.
I would suggest you research the matter, but then you wouldn't be "thinking inside the box."
Last edited by Vermithrax; 30th July 2009 at 01:36 PM.
...the usual western misconceptions about the katana, too.
Like this?
Or this?
Sorry, had to do it
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"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Galileo Galilei
"Telling me the ToE is wrong is like telling a car mechanic
the internal combustion engine runs on magic."- Blayz
The POINT of Creationism, from an honest Creationist
"And yes, to prove evolution is wrong does not mean creation is right. But, the goal is just that, to prove evolution is wrong. Nothing else."
-juvenissun
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