Omniscience and quantum mechanics

What do you mean? Are you referring just to creation/young earth ideas, or something more?

No, I'm talking about how Christians who say that God is omniscient are contradicting our understanding of the universe.

God isn't limited by his creation. Whatever this system may be is part of his creation.

Maybe we don't perfectly understand the universe. Maybe most of what we think we know about it is wrong.

Since we're talking about his creation, doesn't that seem moot? If his creation has fundamental limitations to what can be known about it, why would God be exempt from that?

Like I said: something has to give. In your case, you appear to give precedence to God: he is omniscient, and its our understanding of knowledge (and, thus, quantum mechanics) that is wrong.

Because God is distinct from his creation.

Right. He is omniscient. Nothing can truly disprove that.

The limitations exist nonetheless. If the universe is quantum mechanical, then omniscience is a logical paradox. Even God can't make a paradox. That God is distinct from his creation doesn't change this.

But you're making these assumptions which we don't know are true.

God is not bound by what we can determine.

On the contrary, he is: when we use logic to prove this or that, the proven statement is true. It's not just true for 'our' universe, it's true regardless of what else is true (no matter what God does, A is identical to itself).

How can you be so confident that the logic which applies in this reality must apply in any possible reality?

If you were a two dimensional being living in a two dimensional universe, wouldn't a cube defy logic, and be impossible? I guess you wouldn't be able to even imagine the idea of a cube.

Christianity makes odd claims, no doubt, such as omniscience, and a single God who is three persons, and a being who is fully human and fully God at the same time. But there's a sense in which I think these types of things are almost intuitive. If there's a reality above this one ("above" in the sense of being larger than, and more encompassing and comprehending of this one), I might expect it could very well be like the thing which Christianity vaguely hints at.

Because the truth of logic isn't determined by whatever reality the individual finds himself.

"1 + 1 = 2" is a true statement, and it remains true without any reference to reality or external factors.

But that doesn't mean it's logically impossible. We 3D creatures have evolved to comprehend three spatial dimensions, but have never needed to comprehend a fourth. Using mathematics (ironically), we can completely describe objects in higher dimensions, and even image them. Enter the terrasect:



Counter-intuitivity just makes things hard to imagine. It doesn't make them logically impossible.

But logical paradoxes are impossible. Even if we accept that somehow logic somehow stops working when you get to God's level, there's still one problem: we're talking about the real world, about the world in which logic does apply.

Well, that's because you're a Christian . Hindus and Buddhists probably imagine the 'higher' reality to be something more akin to that described by Dharmic philosophies.