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29th July 2009, 10:39 AM
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Reps: 219,801,598,516,757 (power: 219,801,598,521) | | Originally Posted by Willtor  . You are advocating a new interpretation of Genesis because you heard a voice..
new?
Adam living for 900 years is not a new interpretation
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29th July 2009, 02:50 PM
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Reps: 10,818,175,665,014,668 (power: 10,818,175,665,020) | | Originally Posted by valuecard Ramon, ive started looking at those links u gave me.
Rockytriton and ramon, i would also point you to something, which i feel is the most logical place to start when looking how old our earth is - and that is by looking at the age of our surrounds, sun, moon and planets and their moons within our solar system. This video by former nasa engineer about the findings of nasa's satelites have greatly contradicted what they expected to find based on old solar system theories and models
Thats just part 1, its a 9 part video that goes through nasa's findings about each planet and moon in our solar system, its both really interesting and really challenging to those who are fully persuased of the billions of years belief system.
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I actually watched all those videos. A few things struck me:
1) His point is that either existing theory is correct or it is impossible and thus the universe must be young. That is illogical - there is always the possibility that we just don't understand enough yet but answers will be forthcoming.
2) He offered scant evidence of a young earth. What he's not telling you is that the evidence he offers that the universe isn't billions of years old STILL indicates a far older universe than YEC can accept - hundreds of thousands to millions of years old. The truth is, that timeframe would be a huge blow to science but still completely falsifies YEC science utterly.
3) He kept saying "this is what scientists aren't telling you", but punctuated every single fact with a public quote from a secular scientist. Just who is trying to mislead us here? |
29th July 2009, 04:57 PM
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Reps: 63,932,760,995,062,528 (power: 63,932,760,995,076) | | Originally Posted by marktheblake new?
Adam living for 900 years is not a new interpretation
An historical 6-days of creation based on it _is_.
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29th July 2009, 06:56 PM
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Reps: 2,441,232,823 (power: 2,441,239) | | Originally Posted by crawfish 3) He kept saying "this is what scientists aren't telling you", but punctuated every single fact with a public quote from a secular scientist. Just who is trying to mislead us here?
That's the problem with videos like this. They lie, and they believe the ends justify the means. The problem is that the ends they are expecting are the not ends they get. They get people who take them as liars and believe nothing they say at all when they catch them in a lie. So in essence, guys like this are doing the work of Satan, not the work of God. |
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Reps: 10,818,175,665,014,668 (power: 10,818,175,665,020) | | Originally Posted by visionary I just watched all 9 and have to say he simple did an awesome job...
As long as you don't put what he said up to any scrutiny it will continue to be so.  |
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29th July 2009, 07:21 PM
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Reps: 18,889,155,825,852,136 (power: 18,889,155,825,864) | | Originally Posted by crawfish 3) He kept saying "this is what scientists aren't telling you", but punctuated every single fact with a public quote from a secular scientist. Just who is trying to mislead us here?
Here's a related article: Science and Religion: A View from an Evolutionary Creationist/Theistic Evolutionist: The GOP Conspiracy Problem
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29th July 2009, 08:00 PM
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Reps: 18,889,155,825,852,136 (power: 18,889,155,825,864) | | Originally Posted by visionary Not related... entire different issue worthy of another thread.
Well, it is related to what crawfish said because it relates the mistrust fundamentalist Christians have for science to their propensity for believing in wild conspiracy theories such as that espoused by the "birthers".
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