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The dispensation of Innocence ended at the Expulsion.
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by Hespera I dont know that there is anything in the bible that suggests that god "enjoyed" the slaughter of innocents. There are tho a lot of stories of god being responsible for the mass killing of innocents. Is that "uninformed rhetoric" or just a statement of fact, as to what the stories tell?
Just out of curiosity, Hespera, what would you have done differently?
(Please be specific.)
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Reps: 219,801,598,516,757 (power: 219,801,598,521) | | Originally Posted by Hespera is that coz the people are defined as not being innocent?
No.
Lets start with an easy one. The Flood.
Gen 6:12 "God saw how corrupt the earth had become for all the people had corrupted their ways"
If you want to claim that God mass killed innocent people with this example then you are calling him a liar.
Can you point out where God killed innocent people, as i said, I know of none.
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Reps: 110,182,959,778,071,968 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by AV1611VET The dispensation of Innocence ended at the Expulsion.
Taking into account that this "dispensation" stuff means no more than edicts from the 'emperor pultaeen" (sp)?.....
The implication of this "dispensation" ending is that nobody is innocent so "god" can kill anyone any time any reason and its justified because they are guilty of something? |
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According to dispensationalists. But what if they're wrong? |
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No, God will not terminate you instantly just because you committed a sin. God has mercy, he hopes that all will repent and turn back to him. Those that do not repent are served with justice.
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Reps: 110,182,959,778,071,968 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by marktheblake No.
Lets start with an easy one. The Flood.
Gen 6:12 "God saw how corrupt the earth had become for all the people had corrupted their ways"
If you want to claim that God mass killed innocent people with this example then you are calling him a liar.
Can you point out where God killed innocent people, as i said, I know of none.
Lets get this straight. I dont believe for a second that there was a "flood". I dont say 'god" killed innocent people. I said the stories tell of such things. But if the deal is to define things so that there is no such thing as an innocent person, well, thats kinda weird to me, but if that is Christianity then thats what it is. Chalk up another reason why I want nothing to do with it.
As for calling "liar" heck no. Any more than I would call "Darth Vader" a liar.
Do you think abortion is killing, or is it just uh, a procedure?
Do you think that a newborn child could be "corrupt: and deserve to die?
ALL the people had "corrupted their ways"? ALL would include Noah wouldnt it? And unborn babies. New born babies.
So basically.... the story is that god defined newborn babies as being corrupt and so he killed them all?
If thats the deal, ok, nothing more to discuss.
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Reps: 110,182,959,778,071,968 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by marktheblake No, God will not terminate you instantly just because you committed a sin. God has mercy, he hopes that all will repent and turn back to him. Those that do not repent are served with justice.
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Well THAT is clear enough, else i would have been "terminated" some time back. Seems like an arbitrary kind of mercy and selection tho, newborns dont have much time to even enjoy a bit of sin, let along repent. So I dont follow the idea that there is a hope for "all" to repent. The lucky and the selected only.
Do the newborn babies get tossed in a lake of fire coz they didnt repent? |
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Reps: 110,182,959,778,071,968 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Nathan Poe According to dispensationalists. But what if they're wrong?
According to the The Doctrine of Antidisdispensationalism, the are wrong about everything. |
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Reps: 9,223,372,036,854,775,808 (power: 9,223,372,036,856,908) | | Originally Posted by Hespera Lets get this straight. I dont believe for a second that there was a "flood". I dont say 'god" killed innocent people. I said the stories tell of such things. But if the deal is to define things so that there is no such thing as an innocent person, well, thats kinda weird to me, but if that is Christianity then thats what it is. Chalk up another reason why I want nothing to do with it.
Let me get this straight, Hespera.
You're suggesting that when Noah got off the Ark, he should have encountered homeless babies walking and crawling around crying for their mothers and fathers?
Babies who would have been miraculously protected through the Flood?
That scenario sounds morbid to me; but some time ago I brought this up to someone who was complaining about God committing infanticide in Numbers 32.
If you've got a better way, once again, I invite you to share it.
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