These are a list of some of the unrelated things i wonder
... how soon before homosexuality becomes acceptable to the point that when we speak out calling it sin, we are guilty of hate speech?
...how long it will be before the world openly laughs at us like we are clowns?
... how soon it will be before the news is censored?
... when we will suddenly look around and find ourselves the underdog, world hating us, society against us?
... how long it might be before a fundamental or conservative Christian will be considered a terrorist because they are a fundamental or conservative christian?
... how long before prisons and guillatines are the order of the day for Christians?
...how much longer before we see the return of the Lord to set this world right?
more than half of what you've presented is already current to a degree in some form or fashion
...and in other parts of the world...most is quite true
of course we don't know when the Lord will return...but I'm hoping soon
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These are a list of some of the unrelated things i wonder
... how soon before homosexuality becomes acceptable to the point that when we speak out calling it sin, we are guilty of hate speech?
...how long it will be before the world openly laughs at us like we are clowns?
... how soon it will be before the news is censored?
... when we will suddenly look around and find ourselves the underdog, world hating us, society against us?
... how long it might be before a fundamental or conservative Christian will be considered a terrorist because they are a fundamental or conservative christian?
... how long before prisons and guillatines are the order of the day for Christians?
...how much longer before we see the return of the Lord to set this world right?
pretty much all but the last two are already reality depending on which social group you hang out with.
... how soon before homosexuality becomes acceptable to the point that when we speak out calling it sin, we are guilty of hate speech?
Depends where you do it. If it's in your own church, fine, if it's in a public forum, then nobody wants to hear it, it has no place there, and should already be illegal
Originally Posted by WolfBitnGodSmittn
...how long it will be before the world openly laughs at us like we are clowns?
Hopefully never. You're entitled to your own beliefs, even if not everyone agrees with them.
Originally Posted by WolfBitnGodSmittn
... how soon it will be before the news is censored?
It already is, unfortunately, and every major station has some sort of bias
Originally Posted by WolfBitnGodSmittn
... when we will suddenly look around and find ourselves the underdog, world hating us, society against us?
Again, hopefully never. So long as you don't impinge upon or annoy others you should never be hated. I know I never will.
Originally Posted by WolfBitnGodSmittn
... how long it might be before a fundamental or conservative Christian will be considered a terrorist because they are a fundamental or conservative christian?
To be considered a terrorist you have to commit an act of terrorism, and I say that coming from a country with a longstanding problem of terrorism. Never during the course of the Troubles in Northern Ireland were people considered terrorists on the basis of their religious or social inclination.
Originally Posted by WolfBitnGodSmittn
... how long before prisons and guillatines are the order of the day for Christians?
In Europe, Australasia and the Americas, never. In parts of the Muslim world, unfortunately, maybe far too soon
Depends where you do it. If it's in your own church, fine, if it's in a public forum, then nobody wants to hear it, it has no place there, and should already be illegal
speech should never be made illegal on the basis of being hateful. Even if it is genuinely hateful. People have a right to be hateful if they want to be. That doesn't deprive them of their right of free speech. Also, free speech is not conditional upon whether or not people "want to hear it".
Speech can be made illegal on the grounds of being lewd, or profane (because those types of speech do not have valid religious or political content and are merely bad manners). Religious and political speech in particular are what the idea of free speech exists to protect.
Speech can also be made illegal on the basis of inciting unrest or inciting riots etc. BUT in that case the speech has to actually be inciting. It can't simply be adverserial or "hateful". It has to advocate violence or disruption.
Lastly, consider what really is being done with the idea of "hate speech". The government is defining a moral catagory which is not allowable in public life. This is relatively easy to do because, sure we all agree hate is bad. No one wants to stand up and defend hate. But, really in a secular society that is based on not allowing government to legislate morality, and whose public life is largely defined by moral relativism, is it not the greatest of hypocrisies for the government then to step up and define by political process, moral catagories which are not allowed in public life?
I would submit that this is not really about any kind of morality, or ethics, its really about control. Specifically the government being able to establish publicly enforcable 'moral' rules that are politically determined. The government being able to control people's public expression and behavior not on the grounds of true ethics or morality, but on the grounds of politically determined values.
Originally Posted by peadar1987
To be considered a terrorist you have to commit an act of terrorism, and I say that coming from a country with a longstanding problem of terrorism. Never during the course of the Troubles in Northern Ireland were people considered terrorists on the basis of their religious or social inclination.
More and more as "terrorism" becomes linked to "fundamentalism" fundamentalism becomes the enemy. The modern political machine, unfortunately often works based on establishing a term like "terrorism" or "hate speech" which of course everyone is against, and then simply redefining the term so it can be applied to whoever you like.
It has already begun to happen that many in the US, at least, have begun to associate genuine, unshakable belief in any religion as fundamentalism and therefore dangerous.
In Europe, Australasia and the Americas, never. In parts of the Muslim world, unfortunately, maybe far too soon
Australasia? You mean including one of the largest growing muslim populations in the world, Indonesia? Where
"In May 2006,
seven Islamic militants confessed to the beheading of three Christian schoolgirls in Central Sulawesi seven months
earlier."
Persecution of Christians unto death is still happening around the world...
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Australasia? You mean including one of the largest growing muslim populations in the world, Indonesia? Where
"In May 2006,
seven Islamic militants confessed to the beheading of three Christian schoolgirls in Central Sulawesi seven months
earlier."
Persecution of Christians unto death is still happening around the world...
That's truly terrible. I didn't know about that, but we were always taught in school that Australasia referred to Australia, New Zealand and the Pacific Islands east of Papua New-Guinea, and that Indonesia was a part
of Asia. It was those countries to which I was referring.
Originally Posted by Simon_Templar
speech should never be made illegal on the basis of being hateful. Even if it is genuinely hateful. People have a right to be hateful if they want to be. That doesn't deprive them of their right of free speech. Also, free speech is not conditional upon whether or not people "want to hear it"...
I was referring to actual hate speech, as in the type that is likely to encourage violence or discrimination against homosexuals. Merely saying you disapprove of their lifestyle doesn't constitute hate speech in my opinion, apologies for the misunderstanding
Originally Posted by Simon_Templar
More and more as "terrorism" becomes linked to "fundamentalism" fundamentalism becomes the enemy. The modern political machine, unfortunately often works based on establishing a term like "terrorism" or "hate speech" which of course everyone is against, and then simply redefining the term so it can be applied to whoever you like.
It has already begun to happen that many in the US, at least, have begun to associate genuine, unshakable belief in any religion as fundamentalism and therefore dangerous
In the eyes of the ignorant, maybe. I know there are people who think anyone who is slightly tanned is carrying a bomb in their shoe, I have met many of them, but in the eyes of the law I can't see holding a strong religious belief ever being criminalised
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That's truly terrible. I didn't know about that, but we were always taught in school that Australasia referred to Australia, New Zealand and the Pacific Islands east of Papua New-Guinea, and that Indonesia was a part
of Asia. It was those countries to which I was referring.
I am sorry, you were correct. Indonesia is close to the border of Australasia but still considered part of Asia.
In parts of the Muslim world, Christian persecution unto death is already happening. Also in many parts of Asia (including majority Hindu countries) Christian persecution unto severe injury and death is already happening. You may be interested in having a look at this link Persecuted Countries
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These are a list of some of the unrelated things i wonder
...
how soon before homosexuality becomes acceptable to the point that when we speak out calling it sin, we are guilty of hate speech?
Not a prophet-guessing 10 years tops
...
how long it will be before the world openly laughs at us like we are clowns
? Aren't they already? (sometimes it's deserved)
... how soon it will be before the news is censored
Some bad news for you .... it already is.
when we will suddenly look around and find ourselves the underdog, world hating us, society against us?
See above
... how long it might be before a fundamental or conservative Christian will be considered a terrorist because they are a fundamental or conservative christian?
Actually I don't see that happening. Marginalization of the church is more effective than persecution
... how long before prisons and guillatines are the order of the day for Christians?
See above
...how much longer before we see the return of the Lord to set this world right?
Based on average life spans; for me about 20 years
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